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Blueboy_Dan

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:49 am

Geoff Southby

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Cousins almost certain to miss for the Tigers now too.

No Judd >>>> No Cousins and Foley

Anything less than a convincing win is not acceptable

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Just Judd

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:47 am

Garry Crane

Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:12 am
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Location: Melbourne

Blueboy_Dan wrote:

Cousins almost certain to miss for the Tigers now too.

No Judd >>>> No Cousins and Foley

Anything less than a convincing win is not acceptable

I will be happy with just taking the 4 points. No Judd really worries me.

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Bluey44

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:19 am

Robert Walls

Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:06 pm
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This is our easiest game in the first half of the season by far.
If we cant win this without Judd we are in strife.

I reckon Ratts would be well and truly feeling the pressure.

Let's hope we smack them like round 1 last year and let the pressure out.

Also can someone convert this to the official round 1 pregame discussion thread, thanks

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aboynamedsue

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:44 am

Craig Bradley

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm
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Rafalution wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

I had a chat with some Richmond scouts/recruiting guys on Saturday at the VFL, and they were quite upbeat about the Tigers' chances in Round 1. They were not impressed by our pre-season form and described our forward line as "not functioning at the moment". They believe that if their midfield breaks even (and they are optimistic it will, given Judd's absence and Murphy being underdone) they will put our defence under enough pressure to kick a winning score.

That's fair enough (in theory!), and I guess add the psychological factors (ie. "revenge" from last year + 1st game with new coach + the 'occasion' of Richo's farewell etc), then there's a bit to suggest that Richmond will be tougher for us to beat in Rd 1 than some people think...

Don't get me wrong, I think the Tigers will finish bottom 4 - but sometimes teams like that are dangerous early in the season (while their young players are still 'fresh' and the team hasn't realised how bad it actually is). Especially when a club is desperate to sell the "it's a new dawn" message to its members. They will be pumped up. I reckon the Tigers will be looking at Rd 1 as one of the handful of games they realistically think they're a chance to win in 2010.

FWIW - I like to think our players will meet the challenge in Rd 1, but I'm not exactly bursting with confidence. The pre-season games I've seen haven't been all doom & gloom...but they certainly haven't inspired me with a great deal of excitement about our short-term prospects.

WOW.

Did the Richmond scout bother thinking what the Carlton scouts thought of Richmond's pre-season form?

I think the Carlton scouts would've come back with one line. More turnovers than a pancake convention.

I didn't even ask them how the Tigers were travelling (what would be the point?), I just spoke to them about the Blues. I wanted to get an idea of how they rate us. Not very highly, it would appear.

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aboynamedsue

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:08 am

Craig Bradley

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm
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Based on the pre-season games I've seen this year - intra club, vs Syd (on TV), vs Bris, vs Adel, Bullants vs Coburg - and with one more to go (Bullants vs Casey on Friday), my team for Round 1 would be:

Armfield Jamo T-Bird
JR Bower AJ
Tex Hadley Simmo
Carrots Hendo Hoops
Betts Carlos Robbo

Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Garlett Scotland Waite Warnock

Emerg: Brock Grigg Yarran

I doubt very much the MC will pick Hadley ahead of Brock, although personally I would.

If Armfield gets through the VFL game this week OK, he's in.

Anyone that saw Garlett on Saturday would find it hard not to pick him. I would have liked to have had Betts, Yarran and Garlett in the side - but I couldn't fit them all in.

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TheSwan

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:52 am

Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:37 pm
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:

Cousins almost certain to miss for the Tigers now too.

No Judd >>>> No Cousins and Foley

Anything less than a convincing win is not acceptable

How do you know he is certain not to play? He was released from hospital today and there is still 9 days till the game. As long as the tests came back normal he will play. I would think he is very likely to come good.

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Punter22

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:56 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:03 pm
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This is a serious question.

When did Armfield's disposal and decison making improve to the point where everyone wants him in the team?

I love everything about how he plays except his brain (and skill) explosions when he's got the ball. He was directly costing us goals from turnovers last year, and was a bit of a headless chook - lots of running around with arms flapping, but not a lot of thought about where he was running, keeping balance and playing within his limitations skill wise.

Has he improved these areas? I haven't heard much about his preseason other than he's been hurt for a bit. I'm assuming he must have improved based on Ratt's comments and the opinions here.

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bondiblue

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:02 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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Punter22 wrote:

2nd half of the 2009 season he seemed to steady before executing and that solved his problem.

Whilst he did take huge risks and some didn't pay off, Armfield was not directly responsible for some of our losses, he was however a reason why we won games from his daring, dash and ability to break the lines. He's similar to Bower in that way; looks can be deceiving.

I've always been a fan of Armfield because he gave us something really important we didn't have in our team...pace, great defensive skills (tackling from his rugby background), and could execute well by hand and foot when he concentrated. IMO he was always a better candidate than Browne.

Isn't it amazing how many of his doubters have looked at the positives Army brings to the table, and as a result the value he brings with it, instaed of focussing on the couple of clangers he made prior to the 2nd half of 2009.

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Murphy4me

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:07 pm

Adrian Gallagher

Joined: Fri May 09, 2008 1:16 pm
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Location: Melbourne

I am so sorry everyone but I have a bad feeling about this match based on what I have seen pre-season. Our "talented" midfield is struggling to clear the ball out of the centre and Judd's absence will not help. They are also so slow kicking into the forward line. It's as if they stop, look to see where Fev is then panic when they realise he is not there.

Richmond must be licking their lips waiting to play us. We de-railed their season last year and they will be hell-bent on doing the same to us.

I hope that "it will be alright on the night' and everything will fall into place and our intensity will improve.

I want to go to the MCG feeling positive so please some-one convince me.

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Taff

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:12 pm

John Nicholls

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Murphy4me wrote:

When I am in Melbourne next week, I am positive I am going to have a great time at the "G" on Thursday night (I will enjoy it more if we get the 4 points!).

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kezza

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:47 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
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Murphy4me wrote:

You are not alone, i have the same bad feeling.
It is also Richo's farewell so the crowd and team will be really fired up.
I am still debating on whether to go or not. by the way does anyone know if it will be a sell out

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verbs

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:25 pm

Stephen Silvagni

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Should be a flogging.

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The Blueseum

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:30 pm

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BEWARE THURSDAY GAMES!!!

This will be the 6th time we've played on a Thursday since 1897. The games have gone Win. Loss. Win. Loss ...

and then there was a win in Round 1, 2009.

WLWLW.....WTF!

From the Blueseum

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TheSwan

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:43 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:37 pm
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The Blueseum wrote:

well at least then we beat Brisbane in round 2 :thumbsup:

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bluegirl72

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:45 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:

Cousins almost certain to miss for the Tigers now too.

No Judd >>>> No Cousins and Foley

Anything less than a convincing win is not acceptable

Will there be a naughty corner involved?

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Elusive Turtle

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:03 pm

Horrie Clover

Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:05 pm
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AJ Jamo TBird
JR Bower Scotland
Simmo McLean Waite
Robbo Hendo Walks
Yarran Setants Hoops
Kreuzer Gibbs Betts

Warnock Murph Carrots Davies

Thoughts:
Seems McLean is in favour over Hads
I think if we can afford to play Waite on wing we should try it
Betts seems to be in peak condition and firing so give him a crack.
Armfield probably wont be ready but if so in for Davies
Murph by all reports is easing back into it and can come of the pine straight into the guts.
Yarran is a must, been in the best a few times, dunno where though seems to be doin all his damage across HB.

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The Normal One

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:33 pm

formerly King Kenny

Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm
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Richmond Round 15 2009:

B: King, Thursfield, Rance
HB: Newman, McGuane, Moore
C: Tambling, Cousins, Deledio
HF: Edwards, Post, Cotchin
F: Morton, Reiwoldt, Nahas

RCK: Graham, Jackson, Tuck

INT: Vickery, Hislop, White, Polo

Carlton Round 15 2009:

B: Anderson, Jamison, Armfield
HB: Russell, T-Bird, Johnson
C: Houlihan, Gibbs, Simmo
HF: Carrazzo, Hartlett, Garlett
F: Betts, Fevola, Fisher

RCK: Kreuzer, Judd, Murphy

INT: Bentley, Hammer, AJ, Grigg

From the above teams I see the following changes:

Carlton IN: Warnock, Bower, McLean, Waite, Walker, Henderson, Carlos, Yarran, Robinson
Carlton OUT: Judd, Fevola, Garlett, Johnson, Bentley, Hartlett, Fisher, Anderson, Hammer

For Richmond I have no bloody idea. I've looked at supporter forums for an idea and unlike TC who have very similar lineups for Carlton, the Tigers teams are all over shop. One thing we can count on though is a Carlton 2009 Round 1 approach, expect 3-4 rookies to debut for Richmond (from Astbury, Goudis, Roberts, Martin, Nason or Taylor).

Very important we get on top early, even without Fev and Judd if you look at the ins above for us we have a far stronger team than Round 15, whereas the Tigers will be weaker on the basis they will be playing young fellas.

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4thchicken

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:31 am

Robert Walls

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am
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aboynamedsue wrote:

agree that mclean would probably get a game before hadley (think hadley has looked better preseason though). I'd have yarran in the team myself as he has impressed me at times during the preseason (more so than garlett though obviously I didnt see the ants game). Would be tempted to drop either carazzo/hoops for yarran actually though I doubt that would happen

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Dodo27

Post subject: Re: R1: Carlton v Richmond (Pre Match Discussion)

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:01 am

Harry Vallence

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:13 pm
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Location: Narre Warren VIC

Mclean is a Top Draft Pick and a good player, however playing for Melbourne for the last couple of years made him lose interest in playing the game with passion.

Now that he is at Carlton, he needs to Lift and play up to his potentials....

In relation to Bets, He is our main Forward this year and he has been the best player pre-season, so i don't understand why he has to be punished at the expense of the team's success.

Walker also has been super Fit, sending him to the VFL will not help our chances....

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aboynamedsue

Post subject: Re: Round 1 Team - No Judd, Walker, Betts, Houlihan

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:56 am

Craig Bradley

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm
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4thchicken wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

Yeah, when I was working out my team, I didn't see it as a choice between Garlett and Yarran - I saw it as a choice between Carrots/Hoops and Yarran. With Judd out, I went for experience.

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