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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:31 am 
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Bert Deacon

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Synbad wrote:
but the taste is in the pudding wnd we will see.....

i think its as simple as that....

what jimmae described isnt a gamplan.. cos i see alot of randomness out there...

which means its not a gameplan that is effective.

anyway.. a couple of weeks to go against a big 4 side thats been at the bottom 30 years... cos of a hell of alot of wrong decisions.... and then another season awaits us...


Just to clarify. This gameplan that isn't effective...is that the one we don't have?

Also as a matter of interest, this randomness that you refer to, was that occurring before or after we randomnly kept on handing it to Judd and kicking it to Fev as you continually bang on about?


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:08 am 
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The way I see it, We have a midfield who is capable of many things

Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson, Carrazo, Mclean and Hadley is not just an average midfield but a Superior one to many sides in the competition.


So how do you get the best out of this Group? what Game plan must they implement?


well last year i remember our game against the Saints. We got Smashed in one half, then came back and almost won it. We did that because we applied physical pressure from the middle.


This is what needs to be done. to Play pressure football, and stop the opposition from having a Free Run midfield area.


Our lack of Midfield pressure and lack of a defensive game inside the middle zone cost us last year. Essendon* were the best team to exploit this weakness by Running Free unmarked players into the middle of the Ground creating easy Goals.


our midfielders are brilliant when they have the ball in their hands or when we are attacking, but as soon as the ball is turned over, all we see is an empty Middle of the ground and opposition players running Freely.


The other Key Role they must play this year is kicking Goals. Murphy had a Stellar Year last year kicking 25+ goals, but more has to come from Judd, Gibbs and others.


in my opinion, Our key to success is our midfield. If they collapse, the entire team will.


I agree with most of that. If we apply great pressure and give the opposition no space the rest falls into place just like it did against the top teams we beat last year and most of the lesser teams. However last year we only did it in bursts. The key is to bring that pressure to the game more often.

The no gamplan stuff is rubbish. Usually blurted out by those who made early calls on Ratts being the wrong choice and are desperate to be proven right.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:52 am 
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club29 wrote:
The no gamplan stuff is rubbish. Usually blurted out by those who made early calls on Ratts being the wrong choice and are desperate to be proven right.


It's an honest opinion on their part......they believe he's the wrong man.... and why wouldn't they want to be right? Never seen a man happy to be wrong....ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:05 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
club29 wrote:
The no gamplan stuff is rubbish. Usually blurted out by those who made early calls on Ratts being the wrong choice and are desperate to be proven right.


It's an honest opinion on their part......they believe he's the wrong man.... and why wouldn't they want to be right? Never seen a man happy to be wrong....ever.


Saying he has no game plan is pretty desperate. Not ' he has a bad game plan '. Or 'he is not using a game plan i would'.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:10 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
club29 wrote:
The no gamplan stuff is rubbish. Usually blurted out by those who made early calls on Ratts being the wrong choice and are desperate to be proven right.


It's an honest opinion on their part......they believe he's the wrong man.... and why wouldn't they want to be right? Never seen a man happy to be wrong....ever.


I'm not so sure about that BluesMuse :wink:

I can remember as a youngster being devastated by Jezza leaving the club and thinking that we would be flowered for a few years, but I was wrong and was very happy to be.

There have been a few players over the years that I have had my doubts about, but some have proved me wrong and again I couldn't be happier that I was.

I very much doubt that I will ever win the big one in the lottery, but I would be very, very happy to be wrong :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:15 pm 
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club29 wrote:
TheBluesMuse wrote:
club29 wrote:
The no gamplan stuff is rubbish. Usually blurted out by those who made early calls on Ratts being the wrong choice and are desperate to be proven right.


It's an honest opinion on their part......they believe he's the wrong man.... and why wouldn't they want to be right? Never seen a man happy to be wrong....ever.


Saying he has no game plan is pretty desperate. Not ' he has a bad game plan '. Or 'he is not using a game plan i would'.


To be fair one poster that comes to mind does argue all three options you have mentioned...depending on his mood. Which to me is a bit ironic considering what he is having a go at :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:35 pm 
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I actually agree with Synbad on this. :oops:

I do not believe that Carlton have been able to create a "brand" of football the way Geelong and St Kilda have for example.
Reading some years ago an article from one of the St kilda assistant coaches they created key performance indicators for a game and other business tools in order to create a style or brand that was exclusively theirs. They also know when these KPI's were met, that they would win the majority of their games.
To me, I cannot see this required level of sophistication that is required to be a successful team apparent in the games played so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:35 pm 
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We need to get back on to topic and focus less on what other posters have stated or think or that it might be contrary to what you think.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:47 pm 
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Belisarius wrote:
To be fair one poster that comes to mind does argue all three options you have mentioned...depending on his mood. Which to me is a bit ironic considering what he is having a go at :lol:


Yeah I'm a bit all over the place too really...clueless most of the time.....I just sit back and hope something will miraculously happen like one of our rookies will be the next Kouta or Buddy.

Until then i'll continue to think we are a super team after a win and that Ratten has no gameplan and all our kids are squibby little introverts after a loss....

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:46 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
Belisarius wrote:
To be fair one poster that comes to mind does argue all three options you have mentioned...depending on his mood. Which to me is a bit ironic considering what he is having a go at :lol:


Yeah I'm a bit all over the place too really...clueless most of the time.....I just sit back and hope something will miraculously happen like one of our rookies will be the next Kouta or Buddy.

Until then i'll continue to think we are a super team after a win and that Ratten has no gameplan and all our kids are squibby little introverts after a loss....



Thats pretty normal BluesMuse :smile: You'll only have to worry if you start to just see negatives even when we win. That would just suck the enjoyment of football right out of you...as it seems to have done for some unfortunately.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:50 pm 
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In all fairness, the negatives generally aren't focussed on as much when we win...however there may be several of them to draw from the match. Take for example a match where we win by about 5 goals, yet we were still riddled with errors, easy misses, etc. Do people focus on celebrating our win or do we focus on the negatives and how the team can improve in future, or maybe a bit of both?

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:57 pm 
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Molly wrote:
Synbad wrote:
jimmae... i told u hes gameplan.. its a hotch potch of stuff with no semblence of continuity..
its stop start
its stutter stutter stutter....

and if u had a good midfield like we supposedly have youd wanna get in to your forward line fast.. putting opposition defences under perssure.

you stuff around with it .. youll be under pressure.

anyway be specific...
want me to tell you a gameplan when i dont see one???

kicking out???

forward entries???

any of our players know how to makrk a ball????

wed be the worst team in the AFL above our heads by a mile...

bad decision making ???

players in wrong positions???


it will all become apparent very soon....

in the meantime.. u have a go at me and not talk about the game plan.. and what it is...exactly...

explain to us how this gameplan is going to work after you have identified what it is were trying to do...




Oh... and feel free to back up your baseless argument that we are the worst marking team in the league. Some sort of evidence (any evidence whatsoever... go for it, don't just make it up) might be useful.


Come on synbad, give it a go.....evidence....????
Ok, what about contested marks in 2009 - http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/tea ... s=TA&sr=10

11th is not where we want to be, but with 5 teams below us (west coast, melb, rich, Essendon*, hawks), we're not the worst. And before you blow off about us not having fev anymore - I counter your predicted argument by saying let's see how our contested marks go in 2010 without fev - you might be surprised.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:17 pm 
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What are you people on about?
Come to the AGM and listen to what the club really thinks.
Call a Board member and have a chat
Come to training and learn something.
There has been no significant comment in the Age, Hun or any other paper about our game style.

It has all been about Fev.

As for the Game plan, it is still developing, as is much of our team.

Challenge, name the goal to goal line? No one can.
name the 1st Ruck?

Only players that I can name in position are Judd and Murphy.

We are a work in progress. The Board has no expectations to win a flag this year or for another 3 - 5.

There you have it


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:36 pm 
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caulfieldrover wrote:
What are you people on about?
Come to the AGM and listen to what the club really thinks.
Call a Board member and have a chat
Come to training and learn something.
There has been no significant comment in the Age, Hun or any other paper about our game style.

It has all been about Fev.

As for the Game plan, it is still developing, as is much of our team.

Challenge, name the goal to goal line? No one can.
name the 1st Ruck?

Only players that I can name in position are Judd and Murphy.

We are a work in progress. The Board has no expectations to win a flag this year or for another 3 - 5.

There you have it


Yeah, if that's the case, then the Board have got that wrong, because the team will play themselves into contention to play in the GF in 2010. Well that's the obvious direction.

No one in the footy world doubts that we have an envious list put assembled over 5 years.
Unless you expect us peaking in 2014-2020, we have the goods just as the raw Hawks did in 2008.
Whose our Roghead and Franklin? Waite and Kreuzer? Why not. We can play them anywhere...and we will in 2010.

I'm just itching for the kids the show the footy public what they are made of. Class and talent of all shapes and sizes.

Thanks for the post :thumbsup: I think they Board are on the money. But I think I am too. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:48 pm 
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Like always my faith is with Ratten, Kernahan, Bradley.

In time Silvagni will return from the Dark side.

Maybe he will coach, when all of you sack Ratten.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:52 pm 
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Don't forget that two things won the Hawks the flag in 2008.

1. Clarkson had a great gameplan starting with his rolling zone out of defence. Do we have a coach with any original ideas like that? This season will tell.

2. The Cats kicked themselves out of it as much as the Hawks actually winning.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:58 pm 
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Captain Dan wrote:
In all fairness, the negatives generally aren't focussed on as much when we win...however there may be several of them to draw from the match. Take for example a match where we win by about 5 goals, yet we were still riddled with errors, easy misses, etc. Do people focus on celebrating our win or do we focus on the negatives and how the team can improve in future, or maybe a bit of both?



That is the common sense thing to do Captain you can always improve, but if you go back to post game stuff from last season, for some all but a couple of games was still all about what we did wrong, we don't have a gameplan, Ratts can't coach etc etc. Some just can't see all the things we did right, just because they prefer to dwell on the negatives for their own reasons. Looking at both the bad and the good is the balanced way to go, but if you just look for the negatives as some seem to do (not saying you :smile:) I just can't see how you can enjoy the game viewing it in that way, unless it is criticism in itself that gets the juices flowing for these few.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:01 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
caulfieldrover wrote:
What are you people on about?
Come to the AGM and listen to what the club really thinks.
Call a Board member and have a chat
Come to training and learn something.
There has been no significant comment in the Age, Hun or any other paper about our game style.

It has all been about Fev.

As for the Game plan, it is still developing, as is much of our team.

Challenge, name the goal to goal line? No one can.
name the 1st Ruck?

Only players that I can name in position are Judd and Murphy.

We are a work in progress. The Board has no expectations to win a flag this year or for another 3 - 5.

There you have it


Yeah, if that's the case, then the Board have got that wrong, because the team will play themselves into contention to play in the GF in 2010. Well that's the obvious direction.

No one in the footy world doubts that we have an envious list put assembled over 5 years.
Unless you expect us peaking in 2014-2020, we have the goods just as the raw Hawks did in 2008.
Whose our Roghead and Franklin? Waite and Kreuzer? Why not. We can play them anywhere...and we will in 2010.

I'm just itching for the kids the show the footy public what they are made of. Class and talent of all shapes and sizes.

Thanks for the post :thumbsup: I think they Board are on the money. But I think I am too. :wink:

Go Blues

I'm not sure how to take this post Bondi :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:14 pm 
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caulfieldrover wrote:
What are you people on about?
Come to the AGM and listen to what the club really thinks.
Call a Board member and have a chat
Come to training and learn something.
There has been no significant comment in the Age, Hun or any other paper about our game style.

It has all been about Fev.

As for the Game plan, it is still developing, as is much of our team.

Challenge, name the goal to goal line? No one can.
name the 1st Ruck?

Only players that I can name in position are Judd and Murphy.

We are a work in progress. The Board has no expectations to win a flag this year or for another 3 - 5.

There you have it


Pffft! Sounds to me like they're just hosing down expectations so the heat isn't applied from supporters and members.

If that's what they really think, that we can't win a flag in 5 years, maybe they should step aside and let others have a go.

We have an excellent, young list albeit still developing.

I for one have huge expectations for a flag in the next 5 years!!

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:17 pm 
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Bluebernz wrote:
Pffft! Sounds to me like they're just hosing down expectations so the heat isn't applied from supporters and members.

If that's what they really think, that we can't win a flag in 5 years, maybe they should step aside and let others have a go.

We have an excellent, young list albeit still developing.

I for one have huge expectations for a flag in the next 5 years!!


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