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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:49 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
jimmae... i told u hes gameplan.. its a hotch potch of stuff with no semblence of continuity..
its stop start
its stutter stutter stutter....


anyway be specific...
want me to tell you a gameplan when i dont see one???




Say what? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:51 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:54 pm 
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I for one think it's about controlling possession and taking the avenues to score when they present themselves. We defend the corridor, and we err on the side of not using it in possession. Our forward press is more conservative than what it used to be but also more intelligent in terms of who runs forward. When things slow, we are patient with the ball, look to lull the opposition and transition it quickly with a switch or run to open the game up for scoring options. When things are out of hand we slow it down until we are composed and structured to have another dip.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:59 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:10 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
jimmae... i told u hes gameplan.. its a hotch potch of stuff with no semblence of continuity..
its stop start
its stutter stutter stutter....

and if u had a good midfield like we supposedly have youd wanna get in to your forward line fast.. putting opposition defences under perssure.

you stuff around with it .. youll be under pressure.

anyway be specific...
want me to tell you a gameplan when i dont see one???

kicking out???

forward entries???

any of our players know how to makrk a ball????

wed be the worst team in the AFL above our heads by a mile...

bad decision making ???

players in wrong positions???


it will all become apparent very soon....

in the meantime.. u have a go at me and not talk about the game plan.. and what it is...exactly...

explain to us how this gameplan is going to work after you have identified what it is were trying to do...


Is that what masquerades for argument around here these days? Synners, if you want me to go back and read Jimmae's post for you then I am happy to do that. He tells you what the gameplan is. You might disagree about whether it will work, but he spells the gameplan out very clearly. I like the way that just because you don't see a gameplan it automatically means one doesn't exist. Maybe you don't see a gameplan because you don't want to see one.

Oh... and feel free to back up your baseless argument that we are the worst marking team in the league. Some sort of evidence (any evidence whatsoever... go for it, don't just make it up) might be useful.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:19 pm 
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Sinbad is a lot like a Gremlin.

Only difference is there is one rule: Don't talk to him; Don't engage him in conversation.

If you do this the site will have to cope with the fallout for days.

A Synners argument has the half-life of an atomic bomb.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:22 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:55 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
explain to us how this gameplan is going to work after you have identified what it is were trying to do...

When you learnt how to read*, did someone drop the Oxford English Dictionary in your lap and say "go"?

No; you learnt the alphabet, one letter at a time and began to associate phonetics to each letter, probably through some sort of visual aid. Eventually you got a really simple, possibly monosyllabic, book. You laboured over every single word almost as though you had never heard of them before. Then you went up a reading level, then another, and another; each a new challenge to be tackled and its lessons to be implemented on top of the rest of your growing vocabulary.

That's education in its simplest form. An introductory concept, then systematically providing further learning. In the pre-season, we go back to basics, assigning introductory and intermediate roles to a lot of players. Then we add a layer of complexity, then we add more layers. Perhaps in game, perhaps in match sim behind closed doors.

Having said that, the pre-season wouldn't be our own version of Cat in the Hat, with the end product The Art of War; I'd suggest the answer would be somewhere in-between for both. You can't give them all too much to remember while they're running around because they need to read into what the other is doing as well as their own tasks, and then anticipate and adapt to the game. Conversely, there should be much assumed knowledge.

But at the end of the day it's football, not rocket science, and there's only so many ways you can switch things around and fiddle with before it comes down to the skills of the individual. Given that limit of tactical depth, why the hell would you show case it all in pre-season matches?

Look where that got your buddy Dennis.

* - (for the purpose of my potentially self-indulgent spiel, I'm going to cast English as your first language)

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:33 pm 
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Thats about as good as it gets Donstuie.I laughed for five minutes.I know,im easily amused.

Anyhow,the gameplan is basiclly a posession style.Chip it around,hold onto it until the gap appears,and then rip through the guts.............nothin wrong with that.

PS.............one game plan aint enough these days.Ya gotta have a plan B,and C and D for that matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:45 pm 
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Ya gotta have a plan B,and C and D for that matter.


That's why I'm worried about Ratten as a coach. Several times last year our plan A got found out and Ratten had no response. The amount of times Essendon* exposed us was ridiculous. That's just one example.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:04 pm 
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phoenix johnson wrote:
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Ya gotta have a plan B,and C and D for that matter.


That's why I'm worried about Ratten as a coach. Several times last year our plan A got found out and Ratten had no response. The amount of times Essendon* exposed us was ridiculous. That's just one example.

Essendon* exposed us for our ability to contain quicker players and our contested ball work. We've definitely worked on the latter, will be interested to see some of the way we combat with the former.

This Synners' episode does remind me of a post I made a long while back.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:17 pm 
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Gosh..... I need to find the Cat's and Tiger's fan forums. Seems these pre-season games tell you all you need to know about your teams chances in the coming season and the game plan. So I expect there is a blood bath in Geelong and an extension of the trophy cabinet being built at Punt Road.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:36 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
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Hee hee... :lol: :lol: :lol:
HAVEN'T LAUGHED SO MUCH IN AGES
THANKS ds :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:41 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
phoenix johnson wrote:
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Ya gotta have a plan B,and C and D for that matter.


That's why I'm worried about Ratten as a coach. Several times last year our plan A got found out and Ratten had no response. The amount of times Essendon* exposed us was ridiculous. That's just one example.

Essendon* exposed us for our ability to contain quicker players and our contested ball work. We've definitely worked on the latter, will be interested to see some of the way we combat with the former.

This Synners' episode does remind me of a post I made a long while back.

:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:13 pm 
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:lol: I have a feeling our prays won't be answer. Well maybe but the footy has to start and soon. :idea:


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:32 pm 
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I dont think there is a clear direction for our midfielders out there. They run around like headless chooks and it often results in losing their man, which once we turn the ball over results in spare opposition players charging forward and leading the counter.

our mids imo often fail at creating space, taking risks and moving it quickly, and working hard defensively.

It is not our forwardline that will cost us finals in 2010, it is our midfield and the lack of direction given to them.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:34 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Shouldn't we be trying to catch the opposition out of position with quick transfers of play from defense through to our forwards?


I felt we tried to do that a LOT during the brissie game - from around the halfback line - lots of short passes/handball to generate movement/draw opponents to create space upfield. We made some decent forward thrusts doing that but also a fair few turnovers.

Skills werent quite up to it on the day but compounded by the fact that we had stationary players 20-25 metres off the ball so that on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th quick pass it would end up at a flat footed player rather than one on the move.

Assuming that IS part of the game plan, I'd imagine it would take a while for it to become second nature for the players to be in perpetual motion (even if its just a jog) and for the passing skills to come up to scratch (ie dishing off to where the player should be rather than where they are currently standing)


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:31 pm 
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but the taste is in the pudding wnd we will see.....

i think its as simple as that....

what jimmae described isnt a gamplan.. cos i see alot of randomness out there...

which means its not a gameplan that is effective.

anyway.. a couple of weeks to go against a big 4 side thats been at the bottom 30 years... cos of a hell of alot of wrong decisions.... and then another season awaits us...

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:47 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Shouldn't we be trying to catch the opposition out of position with quick transfers of play from defense through to our forwards?


I felt we tried to do that a LOT during the brissie game - from around the halfback line - lots of short passes/handball to generate movement/draw opponents to create space upfield. We made some decent forward thrusts doing that but also a fair few turnovers.

Skills werent quite up to it on the day but compounded by the fact that we had stationary players 20-25 metres off the ball so that on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th quick pass it would end up at a flat footed player rather than one on the move.

Assuming that IS part of the game plan, I'd imagine it would take a while for it to become second nature for the players to be in perpetual motion (even if its just a jog) and for the passing skills to come up to scratch (ie dishing off to where the player should be rather than where they are currently standing)


To be fair to Ratts this is what they practice at training, at least out in the open (I don't know what goes on behind doors). Whether or not that message is getting through is measured on the ladder and ultimately this is where Ratts will be judged. Carlton expects improvement.

I'd rather come to a decision that make one. Personal preference. One of its side effects is that it creates stability; a fixture in all successful clubs. Whatever Carlton's faults, you can't say we aren't trying.




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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Season Tension
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:50 am 
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The way I see it, We have a midfield who is capable of many things

Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson, Carrazo, Mclean and Hadley is not just an average midfield but a Superior one to many sides in the competition.


So how do you get the best out of this Group? what Game plan must they implement?


well last year i remember our game against the Saints. We got Smashed in one half, then came back and almost won it. We did that because we applied physical pressure from the middle.


This is what needs to be done. to Play pressure football, and stop the opposition from having a Free Run midfield area.


Our lack of Midfield pressure and lack of a defensive game inside the middle zone cost us last year. Essendon* were the best team to exploit this weakness by Running Free unmarked players into the middle of the Ground creating easy Goals.


our midfielders are brilliant when they have the ball in their hands or when we are attacking, but as soon as the ball is turned over, all we see is an empty Middle of the ground and opposition players running Freely.


The other Key Role they must play this year is kicking Goals. Murphy had a Stellar Year last year kicking 25+ goals, but more has to come from Judd, Gibbs and others.


in my opinion, Our key to success is our midfield. If they collapse, the entire team will.


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