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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:34 pm 
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keogh wrote:

Which means that
1 Ratten must develop a structure that moves the ball into the forward 50 quickly from defense
2 The players implement it

Whilst the lack of key forwards worry me the lack of system in getting the ball moving and the obvious uncertainty and poor disposal is a bigger concern.


We were the number one ranked team last year with scores from the defensive 50.


Shhhhhh, that's a secret.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:04 pm 
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There are some very valid though painful points made in the above posts. Everyone wants to be optimistic at this time of the year, and NAB cup form clearly doesnt translate into regular season or finals form. It's a long season, and peaking too early is not advisable. We all want to brush off an insipid performance at this time of year as insignificant, including me.

However, being on the cutting edge tactically is a clear predictor of success. Hawthorn were ahead of the game in 2008 with their rolling zones, StKilda in 2009 with their mob forward defensive pressure, turn overs, and rapid movement into the forward line.

The off season is a time to practice new tactical strategies that give you an edge. If you cant practice these strategies in the NAB cup then when can you practice them.

I would have preferred us to lose by 8 goals last night rather than 2 if I had seen some sign of something new tactically. What I did see were players anxious about their spots, playing safe, stopping and propping, kicking to targets leading to the pockets, bombing long, and chipping sideways so they didnt stuff up. Maybe Sydney's renowned defensive pressure stymied our plans, but I dont think they're that good. Maybe our absent players stymied our plans, but during the regular season we will never have a full list as injury takes its toll.

I sincerely hope that the coaching panel has the tactical nous to have something new for us this year. I desperately hope we have the intellectual capacity in the coaches box to have such a plan. I really hope we can experiment with something innovative, or at least the signs of something innovative, in our remaining few practice games. At the very least I would like to see some of the basics (numbers back, running the lines, running and bouncing, taking risks, using handball offensively, attacking through the corridor, getting the ball in quickly to tall leading targets who lead straight, applying forward defensive pressure if the ball spills) and hopefully something more, much more.

Is Ratts and his coaching team (lets not forget the team) up to the task? Too early to tell I think. Reasonable to question it though.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:05 pm 
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The "it's a practice game" excuse will hold for now.

But when the season starts, if we continue to move the ball with the same lack of purpose and direction that we did last year and last night - Brett Ratten will be on the chopping block.

The same structural deficiencies seemed to be there last night regardless of the actual players in the side - one wonders what the coaching staff were doing all summer.

It was only the NAB cup - but the way we moved the ball was the same old rubbish.



so let us wait until the season proper shall we.


4 months of training for a display like that.

It's not a good advertisement... when we're trying to sell memberships.

National tv... and we're holding back? ...going through the motions??

Doesn't make sense...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:41 pm 
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Maybe we are so bad those in charge of the club wanted us off national tv quick smart to avoid embarrassment and the potential to do more harm to our brand. :razz:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:59 pm 
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Iwas going for the train whistle.
Yay..go train whistle go!
Maybe they could go with a line from 'pants on the ground' for their siren next time? :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:05 pm 
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budzy wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
simonverbeek wrote:
The "it's a practice game" excuse will hold for now.

But when the season starts, if we continue to move the ball with the same lack of purpose and direction that we did last year and last night - Brett Ratten will be on the chopping block.

The same structural deficiencies seemed to be there last night regardless of the actual players in the side - one wonders what the coaching staff were doing all summer.

It was only the NAB cup - but the way we moved the ball was the same old rubbish.



so let us wait until the season proper shall we.


4 months of training for a display like that.

It's not a good advertisement... when we're trying to sell memberships.

National tv... and we're holding back? ...going through the motions??

Doesn't make sense...


If people decide NOT to become a member based on a round 1 NAB Cup match, then we're probably better off without those people.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:01 pm 
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Stats are great arnt they
They dont tell the full story
We had the best forward
We have one of the best small frwards who will find it harder because Fev has gone
As i said many of our goals came from Betts and Fevola's individual brilliance



Could be a different story this year.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:06 pm 
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Some people have to fork out around 1k for a family... and want to see signs of something before they part with it... not everybody can be an Onassis year after year.

The trouble with not improving meaningfuly.. is we can have a whole generation of kids who have had little to cheer about. They can change daddys side.. or go learn to surf on weekends.
If people seriously believe that we can afford to just tread water for another couple of seasons and there will be NO IMPACT theyre deluding themselves.

We lost Fev this year... theres some more excitement factor and entertainment gone for young people... a drab low energy game and some bad press for off field scenarios does not help...

If they couldnt charge themselves up to beat a weak side... on national TV after a lame last 1/4 against the Lions and a very forgettable off season... there is something wrong.
This is the entratainment industry... and people will think about the dollar theyre parting with...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:15 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Some people have to fork out around 1k for a family... and want to see signs of something before they part with it... not everybody can be an Onassis year after year.

The trouble with not improving meaningfuly.. is we can have a whole generation of kids who have had little to cheer about. They can change daddys side.. or go learn to surf on weekends.
If people seriously believe that we can afford to just tread water for another couple of seasons and there will be NO IMPACT theyre deluding themselves.

We lost Fev this year... theres some more excitement factor and entertainment gone for young people... a drab low energy game and some bad press for off field scenarios does not help...

If they couldnt charge themselves up to beat a weak side... on national TV after a lame last 1/4 against the Lions and a very forgettable off season... there is something wrong.
This is the entratainment industry... and people will think about the dollar theyre parting with...


You would have argued the other way had they came out all guns blazing. It kills your Sunday. :smile:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:12 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Some people have to fork out around 1k for a family... and want to see signs of something before they part with it... not everybody can be an Onassis year after year.

The trouble with not improving meaningfuly.. is we can have a whole generation of kids who have had little to cheer about. They can change daddys side.. or go learn to surf on weekends.
If people seriously believe that we can afford to just tread water for another couple of seasons and there will be NO IMPACT theyre deluding themselves.

We lost Fev this year... theres some more excitement factor and entertainment gone for young people... a drab low energy game and some bad press for off field scenarios does not help...

If they couldnt charge themselves up to beat a weak side... on national TV after a lame last 1/4 against the Lions and a very forgettable off season... there is something wrong.
This is the entratainment industry... and people will think about the dollar theyre parting with...


You would have argued the other way had they came out all guns blazing. It kills your Sunday. :smile:



we did come out with all guns blazing... just no energy and no gameplan... they tried

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:34 pm 
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Spot on. There are no tactics. No evidence of a game plan. In 51 games we have seen nothing that suggests we have a game plan. I'll change my view when the evidence is to the contrary


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:50 pm 
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Stop making flowering excuses for Carlton....only NAB cup, players disinterested, experimenting without Fev etc etc. What they served up last night was unmitigated rubbish. Did anyone one passage of play that excited them? It was the same random, roll of dice stuff I've seen over the last two years. People around here are sick of Synbad's 'same old same old'. Maybe you'd read less of it if there was less of carlton's 'same old same old' on the park.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:52 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Spot on. There are no tactics. No evidence of a game plan. In 51 games we have seen nothing that suggests we have a game plan. I'll change my view when the evidence is to the contrary


Did well to win 13 last year without a gameplan. One against the premiers no less. Got close to chinning the runners up also. Took the dog and smashed the pies. Pretty sure they arent about to be beaten by a team that has no go plan. Not sure how we did it?

I am sure the club appreciates your support but i am also sure they are not going to make their plans more obvious just to please you and others that are so desperate for an obvious style of play.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:53 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Stop making flowering excuses for Carlton....only NAB cup, players disinterested, experimenting without Fev etc etc. What they served up last night was unmitigated rubbish. Did anyone one passage of play that excited them? It was the same random, roll of dice stuff I've seen over the last two years. People around here are sick of Synbad's 'same old same old'. Maybe you'd read less of it if there was less of carlton's 'same old same old' on the park.


Here's your 1st signature Badman :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:42 pm 
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Doesn't anyone think its funny how all the top 8 sides from last year lost except for the ones that played other top 8 teams?? And also isn't it funny how the players that have been repoted to be having the highest workloads over the preseason seemed to be running on the spot? (ie mclean)

Don't read too much into the NAB cup.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:18 pm 
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Doesn't anyone think its funny how all the top 8 sides from last year lost except for the ones that played other top 8 teams?? And also isn't it funny how the players that have been repoted to be having the highest workloads over the preseason seemed to be running on the spot? (ie mclean)

Don't read too much into the NAB cup.


Interesting insight. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:27 pm 
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defend the indefensible? Who's been listening to "Fighting Talk"?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:45 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Stop making flowering excuses for Carlton....only NAB cup, players disinterested, experimenting without Fev etc etc. What they served up last night was unmitigated rubbish. Did anyone one passage of play that excited them? It was the same random, roll of dice stuff I've seen over the last two years. People around here are sick of Synbad's 'same old same old'. Maybe you'd read less of it if there was less of carlton's 'same old same old' on the park.


Here's your 1st signature Badman :thumbsup:

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Cazz....defending Carlton at all costs is honorable......unfortunately, it's also naive, foolish and ignorant

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:51 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Stop making flowering excuses for Carlton....only NAB cup, players disinterested, experimenting without Fev etc etc. What they served up last night was unmitigated rubbish. Did anyone one passage of play that excited them? It was the same random, roll of dice stuff I've seen over the last two years. People around here are sick of Synbad's 'same old same old'. Maybe you'd read less of it if there was less of carlton's 'same old same old' on the park.


Here's your 1st signature Badman :thumbsup:

Regards Cazzesman


Cazz....defending Carlton at all costs is honorable......unfortunately, it's also naive, foolish and ignorant


You are in for a tough season 99prelim. Losses seem to tip you over the edge. Even 1 goal losses in round 1 of the NAB.

Win lose or draw life goes on.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:22 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Stop making flowering excuses for Carlton....only NAB cup, players disinterested, experimenting without Fev etc etc. What they served up last night was unmitigated rubbish. Did anyone one passage of play that excited them? It was the same random, roll of dice stuff I've seen over the last two years. People around here are sick of Synbad's 'same old same old'. Maybe you'd read less of it if there was less of carlton's 'same old same old' on the park.


Here's your 1st signature Badman :thumbsup:

Regards Cazzesman


Cazz....defending Carlton at all costs is honorable......unfortunately, it's also naive, foolish and ignorant


And getting your panties in a bunch after 1 nab cap game could be seen as much the same. Does that make us kindred spirits?

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