Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:23 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 53 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:29 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:52 pm
Posts: 1857
Whenever someone has a crack at the club why does he always have to go the man rather than the issue? :mad:

Sticks' prime was a bit before my time so maybe I am not as attached to him as the majority of the supporter base but from where I'm standing he is one uninspiring off-field leader.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:59 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am
Posts: 22357
budzy wrote:
dane wrote:
budzy wrote:
Wants to stay on AT LEAST 2 more years.....

....can't let go

...sad


yep. and if you were president you would want to give it up too.


gone back to commentating on posters...

and nothing to say about Carlton...


i only go after anti - carlton posters.

_________________
dane's trolling again


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:21 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:14 pm
Posts: 1109
Location: Not Telling
Good on you Dane. I will support you 100%.

The club is in a much better position than it was two years ago....on and off the field.

GO BLUES!!! :thumbsup:

_________________
Delulio is a member of TISM


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:18 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
dane wrote:
dane wrote:
budzy wrote:
Wants to stay on AT LEAST 2 more years.....



gone back to commentating on posters...

and nothing to say about Carlton...


i only go after anti - carlton posters.


You sound like George W Bush..... and you know how that went...

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:34 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:44 pm
Posts: 1287
Location: Melbourne
bondiblue wrote:
I thought it was a great interview.

I like the way he doesn't mince words.
I also appreciate that there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that none of us are privy to.
He knows where we want to get to and he got the Mars deal over the line. Credit where credit is due.
In a great team effort he has been part of the team which has turned the club from a $19M business to a $36M business in 3 years.
He makes a good point at how hard Ratts is marked, and that's part of the parcel if you are associated with any of the Big 4 Vic clubs.
I'm glad Kerna pulled up the smitten Sheehan and put him in line to turn the interview into something more positive than what the HUN/ Sheehan probably intended given where the interview was going right from the beginning. That's talent, but more importantly, Kerna is a respected and well liked person.
I'll give him the next 2 years to reap the rewards of a lot of hard work behind the scenes to steady the ship....as long as he and his team in future show abit more respect towards its fan base Australiawide...and grow the brand.


Couldn't agree more Bondi. I thought it read well, including the sidebar article on his support for Chris Judd.

I've struggled with Kernahan as president, probably because he's not Dick Pratt, and because of the way he speaks. Unfair really, snobbish even. If he had a voice transplant I wonder whether I would see him differently. We need to respect Sticks for the towering figure he has been at Carlton, for his undying love and committment to the CFC, and for his willingness to step into a role that he took on with some reluctance. We need legendary figures around the club like Kernahan, cant afford to lose them. They inspire younger players and supporters, and remind us of our great legacy. Then, when the time is right, I'm sure we'll execute a smooth bloodless transition to a high profile, more traditional, President with top 20 ASX expertise. This is necessary from a business, sponsorship and marketing realm, to continue to attract the best, as Pratt did.

In the meantme, I think we've probably been a bit harsh on Kernahan


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:36 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:14 pm
Posts: 1109
Location: Not Telling
Synbad wrote:
You sound like George W Bush..... and you know how that went...


Carlton and G W Bush....great comparison. :thumbsup: Now all Carlton supporters will need to fight a war on terror. We are flower.
:screwy: :screwy:

_________________
Delulio is a member of TISM


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:38 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
DIAMOTISM wrote:
Synbad wrote:
You sound like George W Bush..... and you know how that went...


Carlton and G W Bush....great comparison. :thumbsup: Now all Carlton supporters will need to fight a war on terror. We are flower.
:screwy: :screwy:

caveman president trying to lead a club into the new era...... :lol: :thumbsup:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:29 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 8:15 pm
Posts: 6748
Location: Echuca
All in, starter on his stand, red light flashing.....RACING !!!!!!!!!

_________________
The problem with Socialism is, you eventually run out of other people's money.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:11 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am
Posts: 8128
Cazzesman, without RP how would we be travelling now ...with sticks as President??

_________________
There's so much I could say...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:23 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:17 am
Posts: 1053
Location: Deutschland
budzy wrote:
Cazzesman, without RP how would we be travelling now ...with sticks as President??


I'm no sticks apologist, but you could probably insert anyone's name there instead of sticks and we still would've been struggling, if not maybe close to extinction. RP saved our backsides.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:34 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm
Posts: 16954
Location: Melbourne
budzy wrote:
Cazzesman, without RP how would we be travelling now ...with sticks as President??


We would have come close to closing the door no matter whether Sticks or Fitzpatrick were President and that would have been down to the Elliot years. Lets not bend the truth to suit your arguments. The facts now are where the Club is at financially and Sticks has been President since Dick paased on. Sure Visy is a sponsor but we also have plenty of new ones come on board under Sticks and Swanny.

Regards Cazzesman

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:56 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Cazzesman wrote:
budzy wrote:
Cazzesman, without RP how would we be travelling now ...with sticks as President??


We would have come close to closing the door no matter whether Sticks or Fitzpatrick were President and that would have been down to the Elliot years. Lets not bend the truth to suit your arguments. The facts now are where the Club is at financially and Sticks has been President since Dick paased on. Sure Visy is a sponsor but we also have plenty of new ones come on board under Sticks and Swanny.

Regards Cazzesman


We always had sponsorships even under Collow and Smorgo... every team has those...
Doggies.. Sainters... Swannies... Cats... Blues... Hawks... Kangas... name them..they have one thing in common... they all have sponsors.

But we do have arguably a supporter base in the top three supporter bases in the country.
Crows might have more members... and the Eagles... but we would have more supporters.. cos were a huge Australia wide club supporter base wise.....

Why wouldnt we have sponsorships???

But.. why do we have an amateurish outlook on the competition????

And its no coincidence we have been doing it hard for a decade... its cos we have a 1980/1990 influence around the club...

Picking an unqualified ex team mate who was coaching Norwood in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne is testimony to that.
Lappin, Teague Williams Braddley none of whom have actually any qualifications to coach and wouldnt get a job anywhere else are assistants or assisting with the development.

So im asking myself... are we cutting corners cos we dont have coin.. or are we dumb???

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:26 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am
Posts: 8128
Cazzesman wrote:
budzy wrote:
Cazzesman, without RP how would we be travelling now ...with sticks as President??


We would have come close to closing the door no matter whether Sticks or Fitzpatrick were President and that would have been down to the Elliot years. Lets not bend the truth to suit your arguments. The facts now are where the Club is at financially and Sticks has been President since Dick paased on. Sure Visy is a sponsor but we also have plenty of new ones come on board under Sticks and Swanny.

Regards Cazzesman


You're clutching...

Sticks begrudgingly comes out from the bunker to talk to Mike trying to save his skin using numbers created by RP, Swann and the magnificent supporter base who created the interest to attract media/sponsorship during the worst period of the clubs history which's rivaled anything St.Kilda have dished up.

Is sticks under a bit of pressure I wonder...?

_________________
There's so much I could say...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:30 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm
Posts: 16954
Location: Melbourne
budzy wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
budzy wrote:
Cazzesman, without RP how would we be travelling now ...with sticks as President??


We would have come close to closing the door no matter whether Sticks or Fitzpatrick were President and that would have been down to the Elliot years. Lets not bend the truth to suit your arguments. The facts now are where the Club is at financially and Sticks has been President since Dick paased on. Sure Visy is a sponsor but we also have plenty of new ones come on board under Sticks and Swanny.

Regards Cazzesman


You're clutching...

Sticks begrudgingly comes out from the bunker to talk to Mike trying to save his skin using numbers created by RP, Swann and the magnificent supporter base who created the interest to attract media/sponsorship during the worst period of the clubs history which's rivaled anything St.Kilda have dished up.

Is sticks under a bit of pressure I wonder...?


Why am I clutching?

Lets look at the Facts that you continue to bypass.

Sticks has been President for about 2 years from memory. During that time the financial figures and membership growth speak for themselves.

The onfield efforts have gone from 4, 10 to 13 wins and a final that was lost in 15 minutes of footy.

If Sticks has to be the fall guy as Pres when things are crap then surely he get the kudos as Pres when things are on the way up.

And if you think Sticks is under any pressure from posters like your good self then he will surely rule for the next 25 years.

Regards Cazzesman

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:40 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm
Posts: 16954
Location: Melbourne
Synbad wrote:
We always had sponsorships even under Collow and Smorgo... every team has those...
Doggies.. Sainters... Swannies... Cats... Blues... Hawks... Kangas... name them..they have one thing in common... they all have sponsors.

But we do have arguably a supporter base in the top three supporter bases in the country.
Crows might have more members... and the Eagles... but we would have more supporters.. cos were a huge Australia wide club supporter base wise.....

Why wouldnt we have sponsorships???

But.. why do we have an amateurish outlook on the competition????

And its no coincidence we have been doing it hard for a decade... its cos we have a 1980/1990 influence around the club...

Picking an unqualified ex team mate who was coaching Norwood in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne is testimony to that.
Lappin, Teague Williams Braddley none of whom have actually any qualifications to coach and wouldnt get a job anywhere else are assistants or assisting with the development.

So im asking myself... are we cutting corners cos we dont have coin.. or are we dumb???


Now, now Badman even the businessman in you can't deny an increase from 19Mil to 36mil turnover in the past 3 years in todays current economic climate is not something to be looked apon as.......'Everyone can do it'. Not everyone has or can, so don't poo poo some great work by the Club. It is an amazing effort and should be applauded.

As for the rest..............heard it all before. Suck it up or get a petition started and design a facebook page to overthrow the Club.

Regards Cazzesman

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:48 pm 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:49 pm
Posts: 27793
Location: Southbank.
Cazzesman wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We always had sponsorships even under Collow and Smorgo... every team has those...
Doggies.. Sainters... Swannies... Cats... Blues... Hawks... Kangas... name them..they have one thing in common... they all have sponsors.

But we do have arguably a supporter base in the top three supporter bases in the country.
Crows might have more members... and the Eagles... but we would have more supporters.. cos were a huge Australia wide club supporter base wise.....

Why wouldnt we have sponsorships???

But.. why do we have an amateurish outlook on the competition????

And its no coincidence we have been doing it hard for a decade... its cos we have a 1980/1990 influence around the club...

Picking an unqualified ex team mate who was coaching Norwood in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne is testimony to that.
Lappin, Teague Williams Braddley none of whom have actually any qualifications to coach and wouldnt get a job anywhere else are assistants or assisting with the development.

So im asking myself... are we cutting corners cos we dont have coin.. or are we dumb???


Now, now Badman even the businessman in you can't deny an increase from 19Mil to 36mil turnover in the past 3 years in todays current economic climate is not something to be looked apon as.......'Everyone can do it'. Not everyone has or can, so don't poo poo some great work by the Club. It is an amazing effort and should be applauded.

As for the rest..............heard it all before. Suck it up or get a petition started and design a facebook page to overthrow the Club.

Regards Cazzesman



:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

_________________
No ones listening till you make a mistake.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:03 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
Cazzesman wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We always had sponsorships even under Collow and Smorgo... every team has those...
Doggies.. Sainters... Swannies... Cats... Blues... Hawks... Kangas... name them..they have one thing in common... they all have sponsors.

But we do have arguably a supporter base in the top three supporter bases in the country.
Crows might have more members... and the Eagles... but we would have more supporters.. cos were a huge Australia wide club supporter base wise.....

Why wouldnt we have sponsorships???

But.. why do we have an amateurish outlook on the competition????

And its no coincidence we have been doing it hard for a decade... its cos we have a 1980/1990 influence around the club...

Picking an unqualified ex team mate who was coaching Norwood in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne is testimony to that.
Lappin, Teague Williams Braddley none of whom have actually any qualifications to coach and wouldnt get a job anywhere else are assistants or assisting with the development.

So im asking myself... are we cutting corners cos we dont have coin.. or are we dumb???


Now, now Badman even the businessman in you can't deny an increase from 19Mil to 36mil turnover in the past 3 years in todays current economic climate is not something to be looked apon as.......'Everyone can do it'. Not everyone has or can, so don't poo poo some great work by the Club. It is an amazing effort and should be applauded.

As for the rest..............heard it all before. Suck it up or get a petition started and design a facebook page to overthrow the Club.

Regards Cazzesman



Can you brwak down the turnover for me???

Thats including what revenues???

Can you tell me???


Cos im waiting for your more accurate synopsis...ive been around long enough to know throwing accounting figures in the air like that means F.A.

By the way.. what portion of that was Pratt responsible for and what portion was Sticks responsible for??? :lol:

Seriously.... thats not a good argument.... really... if you can think about it deeply enough.. i know some figures get used and thrown around to prove stuff... but hey..... break it down for me... right down.... so it means something.

Im not into facebook...

But i wont sit here as the club treads water... we did it before... thats why were [REDACTED].

But the indicators look pretty average ... and thats not good enough

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:06 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am
Posts: 8128
Cazzesman wrote:

Why am I clutching?

Lets look at the Facts that you continue to bypass.

Sticks has been President for about 2 years from memory. During that time the financial figures and membership growth speak for themselves.

The onfield efforts have gone from 4, 10 to 13 wins and a final that was lost in 15 minutes of footy.

If Sticks has to be the fall guy as Pres when things are crap then surely he get the kudos as Pres when things are on the way up.

And if you think Sticks is under any pressure from posters like your good self then he will surely rule for the next 25 years.

Regards Cazzesman


:lol:
Yes when sticks took the chair at the head of the table he snapped his fingers and all of a sudden the tide turned...

See that title in our user profiles ...we should change it to 'sticks, we thank you...' :thumbsup:

_________________
There's so much I could say...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:14 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm
Posts: 16954
Location: Melbourne
Synbad wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We always had sponsorships even under Collow and Smorgo... every team has those...
Doggies.. Sainters... Swannies... Cats... Blues... Hawks... Kangas... name them..they have one thing in common... they all have sponsors.

But we do have arguably a supporter base in the top three supporter bases in the country.
Crows might have more members... and the Eagles... but we would have more supporters.. cos were a huge Australia wide club supporter base wise.....

Why wouldnt we have sponsorships???

But.. why do we have an amateurish outlook on the competition????

And its no coincidence we have been doing it hard for a decade... its cos we have a 1980/1990 influence around the club...

Picking an unqualified ex team mate who was coaching Norwood in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne is testimony to that.
Lappin, Teague Williams Braddley none of whom have actually any qualifications to coach and wouldnt get a job anywhere else are assistants or assisting with the development.

So im asking myself... are we cutting corners cos we dont have coin.. or are we dumb???


Now, now Badman even the businessman in you can't deny an increase from 19Mil to 36mil turnover in the past 3 years in todays current economic climate is not something to be looked apon as.......'Everyone can do it'. Not everyone has or can, so don't poo poo some great work by the Club. It is an amazing effort and should be applauded.

As for the rest..............heard it all before. Suck it up or get a petition started and design a facebook page to overthrow the Club.

Regards Cazzesman



Can you brwak down the turnover for me???

Thats including what revenues???

Can you tell me???


Cos im waiting for your more accurate synopsis...ive been around long enough to know throwing accounting figures in the air like that means F.A.

By the way.. what portion of that was Pratt responsible for and what portion was Sticks responsible for??? :lol:

Seriously.... thats not a good argument.... really... if you can think about it deeply enough.. i know some figures get used and thrown around to prove stuff... but hey..... break it down for me... right down.... so it means something.


Alright I'll confess :oops: The figures are bodgy. :yikes:












Sticks is actually underselling it................really they are far highter :smoking: :smoking:

Now you know I don't have any figures, hence your question obviously. I guess you will have to wait 10 months for the Profit and Loss.

Perhaps Sticks has been responsible for all of it. Can you say for a fact otherwise. :wink: There's a fairly impressive building sitting in place of the old Heatley Stand. Maybe Sticks was the one that got the deal over the line. I guess we will never know. :wink:

As I said......He is either the fall guy or gets the kudos. You have him as the fall guy and I'll give him the kudos for successfully carrying on the good work started by Dick.

Regards Cazzesman

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stick & Stones
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:19 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
nah.. see you wouldnt have a clue how they reached that.. its got nothing to do with bodgy..

Whats included in the amount..
do u know???

for instance... Pratt donations?
Other donations?
How much of it is actually sponsorship.. how much is membership..

How much is the Visy centre fund..???

Whats AFL dividends from tv rights etc...??

How much of it is once off turnover.. for the facility????
Turnover means alot of things Cazzesman... :lol:

Its just a number.......... and yes were up on 10 years ago.. but so is everybody else.....

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 53 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 29 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group