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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:15 pm 
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Just got back from training.

Hard to tell whose playing and whose not.

Can't remember seeing Simmo, Gibbs, Setanta, Ellard or Jacobs from the squad.

Maybe there's something in that, or maybe I just missed them.

Very light session.

Truly wasn't worth the effort to see them train. The Carlton players were not there for any meet and greet with the fans. There were hardly any fans there. Have to say, it was all a bit embarrassing. The invitation to the open session, the effort from the club and players towards the fans.... Hopeless effort by the Blues regarding the promotion of their brand. Really pathetic. I don't care if they ever play in Sydney again to be honest, it was such a let down.

Am having 2nd thoughts about the effort I give the club, both financially and with my time. I think the fans in Sydney are held in contempt (and it may be a reflection on how the club treats and perceives the rest of its followers/ fan base). I feel like a right royal suck going out there today and supporting a bunch of bogans who get paid a fair amount of money.

Sure I cracked a few jokes, and the Carltonians around me would have thought I was really enjoying the situation. Some of the players even gigled. I was trying to make light of the situation, and add a bit of humour, and entertainment in a dull situation, because dead set it was like being at a mogue out there. There was something not right with the connection between team and supporters.

The players and the officials had no intention to mix it up with the fans, let alone to attract them to the venue. Great to see Kapt Kouta and Mark No3 having a few baby photos with Juddy and Ratts. That was the highlight.

Now those who know me, know I am no snob, nor boring in social environments, but I was questioning why the !@#$%& I'd want to be seen hanging around those snobs of players and officialdom from Carlton. Never felt like this in my last 40 years as a Carlton supporter. Is this what they mean by generation Y? !@#$%& me dead.

I have a lot to think about, but atm I have a feeling I will not be buying 50 memberships next year, nor will I buy $2000 worth of merchandise, nor do feel compelled to be a member, nor will I sponsor a player if that's what they're like these days...I'll just rock along and watch the game like any other footy watcher to be honest, and let them live and die by their sword.

Looking forward to going out there and watching them tomorrow night as usual, but I aint going over the top for that lot in a hurry again.


Blues to win by a lot. Go Blues.


No your comments are probably right but who has a hard training session 24 hours prior to a game - I will be dissapointed if we play like soft cocks tomorrow - either way though I enjoyed it becuase it was carlton and it gave me the opportunity to witness another team train - by the way out session was of probably the same intensity of the geelong practice game here last friday so my expectations may have been less than yours Haz :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:17 am 
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Dear all, anyone please got any tips on how I could possibly see this game from OS? Bucketloads of good Karma to anyone out there with a heart.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:24 am 
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singindablues wrote:
Dear all, anyone please got any tips on how I could possibly see this game from OS? Bucketloads of good Karma to anyone out there with a heart.
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AFL website should broadcast it via radio stream and probably live video feed.

Europe: http://www.afl.com.au/TVRadio/Broadcast ... oci=Europe

Asia: http://www.afl.com.au/TVRadio/Broadcast ... #loci=Asia

USA: http://www.afl.com.au/TVRadio/Broadcast ... 6#loci=USA


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:27 am 
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Thanks, Rafaaaaa!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:27 am 
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Thanks, Rafaaaaa!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:57 am 
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singindablues wrote:
Thanks, Rafaaaaa!!!


Where are you anyway?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:48 am 
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To be fair, Jamo did actually express his thanks to us for coming to training.

Chicken or the egg, it's hard for players and staff to get enthusiastic when the crowd is that small.

But having said that, it wasn't promoted really so what did they expect.

Melburnians might identify with this, it's like if Melbourne Storm training was held at Narrewarren - on a Friday night at 6pm - would you really go?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:52 am 
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Have to say, it was all a bit embarrassing. The invitation to the open session, the effort from the club and players towards the fans.... Hopeless effort by the Blues regarding the promotion of their brand. Really pathetic. I don't care if they ever play in Sydney again to be honest, it was such a let down.


That's frustrating to read bondi.

It's disappointing how 'inward' this club is when there is so much hidden support beyond Victoria's borders.

All fans deserve better.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:57 am 
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No your comments are probably right but who has a hard training session 24 hours prior to a game - I will be dissapointed if we play like soft cocks tomorrow - either way though I enjoyed it becuase it was carlton and it gave me the opportunity to witness another team train - by the way out session was of probably the same intensity of the geelong practice game here last friday so my expectations may have been less than yours Haz :wink:


It's not about how hard they trained Mark; it's much deeper than that.

Prior to 2002, it was all seemingly smooth sailing for CFC and its supporters. I guess we all took each other and our destiny for granted. After all we are Carlton.

Fast forward to 2010 and we know we have just experienced the darkest of dark periods for this club, and hopefully coming out the other end. How many times have we heard since that Black Friday that we will never take anything for granted again?

So, out of the blue, we had supporters come out in the 1000's to become members during the darkest period. We broke membership records. We attended the games, knowing we were going to lose. We patted the players on the backs and cheered them along to give them a sense of belonging to something special.

Many of us supporters whether Victorian or interstate donated more money and time into CFC than at any time prior to Black Friday. That's loyalty. That's not taking anything for granted. That's making things happen...and that was prior to Sir Richard coming along to catapult the club into the new millenium.

Every little bit counted and collectively over time it would be meaningful regardless of the size of the contribution. We slowly built momentum and united we stood to fight our way out of the shit.

The club should never forget the times before Sir Richard, and the importance of the huge supporter base of which most had not really connected with the club hence why only 40,000 of 500,000 supporters are members.

Footy is about the supporters. Every one of them count. Everyone of them are important, no matter where they reside in Australia; after all AFL is a national game, and nationally is where CFC is likely to grow its reach/ brand.

Have a look at the attendance to the training session yesterday and tell me that's the sort of turn out you'd expect from a premier club in Australia? Remember we are one of the big 4.

If you thought the attendance was due to the supporters lacking a bit of heart, or whether it was a lack of effort by the club, it doesn't matter. There's something wrong no doubt. Seriously wrong. It's a cultural issue within CFC and it has to change.

The turnout was pitiful, with a handful of supporters, whilst not welcome with an invitation to dine, attended to make the players feel a little comfortable about their venture into foreign lands which will become part of the parcel for this group over the next decade. Being a Carlton player should mean no matter where they travel there's enough supporters around to make them feel supported and in neutral territory rather than unfriendly hostile opposition territory.

The club is happy to take the handouts from its supporters and lets remember, it's that supporter base which encourages the Sponsors to put money into the club, not the Brownlow Medal and Booze Cruise antics. The players are happy to collect their more than handsome pay cheques for doing something they love...and paid for by the supporters.

And what do the supporters get in return? Just have a look at the what the players have offered its supporter base since the Brownlow Medal. Surely they would be trying to patch up the disappointment and inuendo their supporters have had to endure in the last 2 months with a show of appreciation of their continued support. To show they are not as bad as THe HUN or Caro Wilson reports. That there isn't cultural problems at CFC.

Now, it doesn't matter wheher it's Blacktown, SCG or Princes Park, I have seen enough to know that the club is creating a bigger gap between them and its supporter base. The efforts to connect with their supporter base is pitiful, negligent and it's obvious the club has gone back to an era of taking things for granted. It's a new world CFC. You need to learn about Marketing the brand and have a 20 year plan ahead to expand the brand so we never ever go back to our bankrupt days. Next time there may not be a Sir Richard to help out.

My job is to read people, understand them and move them emotionally, so I had a good read of the situation yesterday: the players trained lightly which was a delight to see, but they had only one intention after the session was complete and that was to head to the change rooms asap. I saw it in their eyes...not all of them...but collectively the message was, "lets get the hell outa here". There was never any intention by the club to attract the Sydney supporetr base, and never was the intention of a meet and greet with their Sydney fan base.

Communication it seems is a huge ongoing weakness at the club. The disappointment is about a lack of communication with its member and supporter base, but I'll go a step further and suggest they have no idea on how to communicate and they should be on the front foot with proactive communication and an intent to move the masses minds, bodys and souls.

Disappointed? Perhaps. More disgusted in those who forget where we come from and appauled to think the club is being run by those who have gone back to taking everything for granted again.

Why did the communication of the open session at Blacktown have to be left to the last minute on their website? There's a lot of reasons, but the most distasteful reason for me is that CFC and its players take its supporters for granted.

The players and CFC officialdom have lost me for now...but I'll always barrack for them, and I'll be there this afternoon with a bunch of Bluebaggers screaming our lungs out in support of the Old Dark Navy Blues (literally supporting what once was great..the good old days before Gen Y).

Put it this way. The club have a long long way to go to understand how a brand is built, what efforts and values they must uphold and there's a lot of room for improvement at CFC. The change for the better has to start at the top: over to you Kerna and Swanny.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:06 am 
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not like the good ole days. damn you generation y.
always respected your posts bondi but to blame it on a generation is a bit weak.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:11 am 
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Your posts made me feel sad Bondi.
i was gonna book you for over use of the word Carltonian a few posts back...just to get you to smile...
but...anyway...
Fev would have said hello.
He was always good at that stuff.
Maybe it's an extrovert/introvert thing?
Maybe they needed a marketing person to remind them to give a clap to the attendees at training,if they didn't know instinctively to do it.
There should have been something organised..for sure.
Anyway....despite all the bad....
tonite we play...and I'm very excited...hope you enjoy the game..
I know you will.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:22 am 
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dane wrote:
not like the good ole days. damn you generation y.
always respected your posts bondi but to blame it on a generation is a bit weak.


Honestly I don't really believe in the Gen Y propaganda. I'm more intersted in Niche marketing because you can't just throw a whole Gen in one bucket and suggest they are a or b types.

I'm disappointed in using Gen Y to measure CFC... it was a bit of tongue in cheek...I thought CFC wouldn't like the term, so I used it.

Yep it was a bit weak to use that term.

Lets just say they are taking us for granted and are acting like 'rich' kids...no I'm going to cop it from the thoughful rich minority.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:29 am 
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if there is a live internet video feed can someone please PM me ... many thanks!..
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:39 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Your posts made me feel sad Bondi.
i was gonna book you for over use of the word Carltonian a few posts back...just to get you to smile...
but...anyway...
Fev would have said hello.
He was always good at that stuff.
Maybe it's an extrovert/introvert thing?
Maybe they needed a marketing person to remind them to give a clap to the attendees at training,if they didn't know instinctively to do it.
There should have been something organised..for sure.
Anyway....despite all the bad....
tonite we play...and I'm very excited...hope you enjoy the game..
I know you will.
:smile:


Sad.....I'm almost broken hearted over this.

I'm an egalitarian not an elitist, so this stuff is sickening for me.

I thought about the Introvert extravert thing, but the problem starts at the top...it's a behavioural issue. The players can be told and reminded of the importance of the fans for the club and their pocket, and to act accordingly. I doubt they are.

The players are not the marketers, they are an extension of the marketing campaign and the product. If the product is marketed properly to entice an audience taste the product, then if the product is as good as the marketing campaign suggests, then there will be repeat custom and loyal customers. Simple.

Marketing Department: I don't know if they have any marketing people, or if they do, whether they are talented enough to drive a $36M business to greater heights, or whether they a muzzled by those who decide what they should do and not do without having the experience to do so. At the end of the day, the buck ends at the top.

I will enjoy the game. I can't wait to see them win.

It is an important win for Sydney based Carlton supporters. It has been a longtime since we won here...a long time....Ratts would remember the hidings we copped here as a player even when we were doing well. We need win to remind the Sydney market what Carlton means again, and to bring out the banter from Carltonians living in Sydney who have been in hiding for a while.

The renaissance starts to night.

4 ruckmen.....bring it on!!!

Geez the Kreuzer is an amazing athlete. Those taps he was doing to himself then roving them is so unique. Hammer looked so agile in the air...and 206 is bloody tall and mobile. Jacobs is a bonafide AFL tap ruckman.

That article with sticks in the HUN today describes Kreuzer's commitment (modus operandi) to a T.

I'm expecting Robbo to play a blinder.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:48 am 
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Bondi, I'll always remember when they came to Echuca for a training camp in 95....we got wind of them having a run and light train around the oval so we turned up in the morning...there was probably 4 girls (us) and some blokes scattered around.

Anyway this big tall guy with a funny deep voice and a mullet started walking towards us.....it was Kernahan he says to us "you girls want some autographs? come with me" anyway he drags us around in amongst the group...asking our names and getting the boys to sign for us. He then invites us back to watch their cricket match later that afternoon.

I was the only Carlton supporter amongst my friends but due to kernahan being so personable and the girls getting in amongst the likes of Kouta and Ang there were 3 Carllton supporters born that day.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:55 am 
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Bondi, I'll always remember when they came to Echuca for a training camp in 95....we got wind of them having a run and light train around the oval so we turned up in the morning...there was probably 4 girls (us) and some blokes scattered around.

Anyway this big tall guy with a funny deep voice and a mullet started walking towards us.....it was Kernahan he says to us "you girls want some autographs? come with me" anyway he drags us around in amongst the group...asking our names and getting the boys to sign for us. He then invites us back to watch their cricket match later that afternoon.

I was the only Carlton supporter amongst my friends but due to kernahan being so personable and the girls getting in amongst the likes of Kouta and Ang there were 3 Carllton supporters born that day.


And that's what it's all about TBM.....growing the brand....showing respect....showing human qualities....embracing the supporters.

Thanks for sharing this with us...we really should have a thread dedicated to this discussion. It would be a great reference point for the club to tap into this sort inexpensive advice and market research. They need it!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:14 am 
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Yeah despite how annoying we may have been in the season of 95' the bulk of the players were all too happy to just stand and have a chat to us (Peter dean you're a leg!)..... We could sense it so we kept turning up and getting closer and closer to the club.

When they visited Shep in 04' I think? I travelled from Albury to see them and once they finished their praccy match I approached them a little...but I sorta just stood on the outer as I was a little embarrassed, then out from the showers with a towel draped over his head came one Ryan Houlihan he said G'day and it totally broke the ice for me and it's those little things that make a huge difference. :) Just to be acknowledged is very important.

There are Carlton supporters everywhere! So I do believe this is an important subject.

But I can also understand why a group of 19 and 20 somethings would be hesitant because for most of them it would be terribly uncomfortable approaching total strangers in an alien environment.

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then out from the showers with a towel draped over his head came one Ryan Houlihan he said G'day

So...just to be clear....
the towel was draped around his...errr...head?
So.........??
:oops: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:37 pm 
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I was the only Carlton supporter amongst my friends but due to kernahan being so personable and the girls getting in amongst the likes of Kouta and Ang there were 3 Carllton supporters born that day.

Born or conceived? :smoking:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:43 pm 
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i was at Echuca that day. My wife and I took the kids and had a great time. Sticks was fantastic as were all of the boys. Our kids had their photo's taken with many of the boys and they were only to happy to oblige. Yeah only a handfull of supporters that day but gave myself and my family a day to remember


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