I didn't want to really dignify what you said with a response Verbs but because your man Bondi jumped on the proverbial as well I may as well spell it out for you.
We have had deep seated cultural issues for almost a decade. We have been devoid of any semblance of on and off field leadership predominantly for that timeframe. We are only starting to get our shit together now (and I use the word now very strictly) but WE (the members, administrators, players) cannot hide behind excuses and continue to just pooh pooh articles such as these like many on here have been doing because we have a long long way to go.
I don't know why that is so complicated and has caused so much consternation.

But the "she'll be right" approach sprinkled with a victim mentality that you and others have articulated got us in this mess in the first place.

Verbs, he's referring to the administration sharing that mentality, not supporter influences thereupon.

Verbs, he's referring to the administration sharing that mentality, not supporter influences thereupon.

But the "she'll be right" approach sprinkled with a victim mentality that you and others have articulated got us in this mess in the first place.

Rehashing negative stories in this case serves no purpose other than to sell newspapers. We've addressed the issues and will continue to monitor them. They are'nt forgotten.

Caro's opinion on this contributes nothing to the debate IMO and together with her pathetic timing, deserves zero respect AFAIC.

This thread has become as ''classy'' as the Rotting Fish head thread, ditch it !!

Too right. I much prefer the boring threads where no one disagrees with anyone.

This would be a good debate if it was about Wilson's slipping credentials.

The main problem I have with the article is that she downplays the significance of rape, drug trafficking and serious assault with her opening statement.

But Wilson blaming Judd's leadership alone for every cock up since he arrived is laughable, and more so since the incident upon which she bases he article was 2 months ago,
If a junior journo filed that they'd be laughed out of the place because a cornerstones of journalism is timeliness.

She had it once but she ain't got it no more. All I saw when I read it was another sad example from a woman who was once rightly regarded as one of the best writer's about the football industry.

This would be a good debate if it was about Wilson's slipping credentials.

She is seriously demented.

I wish I could tell her so face to face.

Her article is full of cr#$, no two ways about it. She lost me when she said the Carlton issues are worse than the sexual assaults and the drugs because they were individual isolated incidents.

Let me get this straight:

ST KILDA = Is this not at least the second time, that sexual allegations were made at St Kilda. The second time it was alleged there were two teammates with a woman in an apartment and the other teammate was found in her bed instead of the one she came in with.

GEELONG = Incidents with Johnson and now allegedly Stokes. I think over the summer issues overseas ?

Essendon* = Drugs with Lovett Murray, drink drivng with Lovett Murray and Hurleys bashing incident. Lovett bashing his girl.

BUT CARLTONS STUPID PARTY DRINK INCIDENTS ARE THE WORST OF THE LOT

I cannot believe some of you are even saying that she has some credence to what she is saying.

Dont get me started on the basket case Richmond and the fact she never writes about them. She has a severe case of Carlton envy.......

I didn't want to really dignify what you said with a response Verbs but because your man Bondi jumped on the proverbial as well I may as well spell it out for you.
We have had deep seated cultural issues for almost a decade. We have been devoid of any semblance of on and off field leadership predominantly for that timeframe. We are only starting to get our shit together now (and I use the word now very strictly) but WE (the members, administrators, players) cannot hide behind excuses and continue to just pooh pooh articles such as these like many on here have been doing because we have a long long way to go.

That is all I want our club to strive for, but because of our shithouse culture we have been nowhere near this mark for so long.
I don't know why that is so complicated and has caused so much consternation.