gee caro , its not our fault the tigers are so shit

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

..what a joke.. ..seriously, things like binge drinking, drunken violence, drug trafficking and sexual assault are all a very unfortunate part of our society.. ..to say that "the spectre of a teenaged rookie draftee handcuffed to a Carlton senior player" is the worst is downright stupid..

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I'll say that she's right about Judd needing to show more off field leadership. I think most would agree about it. But what a bullshit article.

The booze cruise really tarnished the game more than "alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge"?? She's on another planet.

..it's nuts, she's mentioned four off-season incidents, and she highlights the only one not going to court and/or under police investigation..

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Wilson wagging her condescending self-righteous finger at the Club -Footy season is upon us.

Nah ! Reckon it is AFLs way of shaming us.

Strange given that Demetriou and his pet monkey cannot get a single thing right.

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I love how it is brought out just before the family day

Atleast it is brought out now and not during the season to disrupt it.

Caro would of held on to this story for weeks

What a flowering joke of an article ... to compare what happenned on the booze cruise to more recent, abliet individual episodes is just gutter journalism.

Originally I was not taken in by the idea that the media was out to get us, but having kept my eyes open the last couple of months have read so much tripe that there is no longer any doubt in my mind.

But this article takes the cake for just pure stupidity.

One good thing out of all of this is that it will galvanise the team and had to happen in order to finally get rid of the Fev era culture. I am 100% sure that there is a screw up and your out clause for a number of players now. If they want to be part of something special they will pull their heads in. Otherwise we will trade them to Richmond!

Am I the only one who thinks she makes some sound points?

Josh, she does make some good points, but to say its tarnished the game more than various allegations of rape, assault and trafficking of drugs is ridiculous.

The second issue with her article is why now? Has she just got back from her summer break? Even if she has, its all been discussed and the story doesn't need every journo in the country dragging it back up when they return to work. Mike Sheehan from the HUN bought it up last weekend I noticed.

To answer the second question, Goltzenberg mentioned it, the family day is today, she has to try and take some of the gloss from that.

This paragraph pretty much sums up her intentions



It has been a good week for the Blues and poor old Caro just can't bear to see it.

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Don't click on the link to give Caro a bigger hit from Blues fans.

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Personally, I think she's just a sour old mole.
Oh well, hopefully she enjoyed seeing the tigers new game plan last night.

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Patrick Smith will release his bitter article next week.

He will use more flowery language than Caro and will compare the Carlton football club to Sadaam Hussain and George Bush.


It was bad what happened on the cruise - no excuses - but I am tired of the antics from the media.

I woud say that handcuffing a young man and forcing him to drink is the worst kind of peer pressure,and is a form of abuse and assault..even if not sexual or directly violent.To me it is an incredibly violent act..especially mentally..but it is physical abuse also...because the kid would have been hard put to say NO for so many reasons.....and...that incident definately sickened me..and still does.
That is not to say that I wasn't p*ssed off that the other stories barely got coverage,or that they aren't in at least Hurley's case a lot more serious..
although..to the kid involved...it might have felt every bit as serious,and could have potentially been life damaging.
Who's to say.

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Apart from the first 3 paragraphs I think Caro is spot on.

guessing the article is 3 paragraphs long?

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I think it is a poor article (drinking worse than drugs or assault or rape?!?!?), but the issues regarding Houlihan's public comments were valid.

His public explanation of events was poor and came across as defensive. I think his point at the time was that Casboult was not "force-fed alcohol" (so the press response was a "beat up") and that he was not the "only" organiser of the event (in other words "it wasn't my fault"). If he can't handle the PR spin, he should have been told to keep his mouth shut.

Wilson seems to have an issue with Carlton not naming who was strapped to Levi, and the obvious implication made in that article is that it was Judd - he is, after all, the focus of her vindictiveness. That makes it an appalling piece of journalism. The players were locked together as part of a bonding ritual, not to drink them stupid as the media implies. I think it was a dumb thing to do, but I bet 15 other clubs do it. Carlton won't name the player linked to Levi as this player will be unfairly flogged in the press for an issue that should already be dead.

JK's point is not invalid, but the timing is suspicious (two months after the event) and Caroline Wilson is simply a bitter old cow who cannot leave her Carlton axe alone.

bg do you have any evidence that shows that levi wasn't a willing participant?

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