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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:02 pm 
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If you've got money on Carrazzo for the rising star- after the fumbles, turnovers etc of yesterday I'd consider it wasted.

His kick for goal was an absolute shocker. Does anyone else know what I mean?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:04 pm 
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Yarran - looked fantastic out there and played the HF role to perfection. Skills were scratchy like many others, but brought so much polish and flair to the attacking movements for the Red team he definitely looks in the mix for selection as hoped.

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You have got to be kidding, he was terrible.

Hardly got a touch a a HF, squibbed it big time when he ducked his head when he had a relatively easy mark on the lead beckoning.

As a HF he doesn't attack the ball, he wants it to come to him. Needs the coaches to teach him a lesson.

What game/player were you watching??

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:07 pm 
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I don't recall seeing him much after half time but Setanta was definitely in his yellow jumper in the second half. Pretty sure he was there early on in the third, and he wasn't the only one to hit the showers early.

Disagree on other's thoughts of Yarran. Just a kid who doesn't feel he can impose himself in the thick of it, so looks to create a receiving option when there's congestion. Not soft, just playing the percentages with his own skill set. I'm near-certain he will go when it's his turn.


You obviously missed the bit where he squibbed it something shocking and ducked his head

Yarran is well built for a 2nd year player - no excuse for his lack of attack on the ball

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:11 pm 
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Carlton's season is up, up and away

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 5829910223


Robinson could't help himself in the end

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and the bad boys, Eddie Betts, Ryan Houlihan and Andrew Walker, were solid contributors.



At leat there was a report in the HUN.

It look likes nobody told the Age about the game. Nothing in today's broadsheet :donk:



Gee Essendon* looked good for a quarter and a half didnt they "Slobbo" - you know I think Essendon* are a better team than Carlton because Essendon* are a better team than Carlton. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:11 pm 
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You boys better prepare yourselves for Yarran to be given the 'JR' treatment by being given time in the seniors to adapt and grow. The boy's only 19yo. He'll be inconsistant, get used to it!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:15 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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I think Jimmae's report is just about spot on, and I agree with him that Yarran's performance wasn't as bad as some have suggested.


Where were you sitting?

Up in the clouds with me, obviously. :P

From what I saw, Yarran got a lot of the ball in midfield in patches and provided an option around HF. Yeah, he didn't charge head first into contested ball situations, but he didn't crap his pants and blindly handball when someone was chasing him down.
If he had a few deer-in-the-headlights moments in a meaningless intraclub game when his foremost thought is "I don't want to get injured and miss my chance", then that's fine. I'll wait a few more weeks before I call squib. I saw the dropped mark, I also saw plenty of other dropped marks and hesitations in the thick of it. They're all team mates at the end of the day.


Look no doubt he looked far better down back/in midfield.

But as a HF he couldn't get a touch, had multiple chances where the ball was kicked to him but he fluffed every chance bec he didn't attack the ball, instead watied for it to come to him.

And unless you were sitting on Mars, you would know he was the only one who ducked the head so badly.

Sorry, I don't want to hapr on Yazz, bec I want the no.6 pick to blossom like anyone else, but geez, he'd want to harden up if he wants to play R1. I sure hope they don't play him next week, bec you have to earn your chances now.

It might have been a intra club game, but he should have been busting his gut to impress - and instead he just prances around like it was a non contact sport. This is surely why he was moved from HF to HB in the 2nd half. I'm sure Ratts ha a gutful.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:22 pm 
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Frogt to mention - liked the look of Donaldson. Very skinny for a tall, so will take a fair while, but he is incredibly quick and agile for a tall.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:24 pm 
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You couldn't have just written one post quoting me? :P

I saw Yarran's performance differently. I think too many of you remember just the dropped mark and you may have even confused players; at one point Labi, Betts, Garlett and Yarran were all operating inside team Red's forward 50.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:27 pm 
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Sorry, I don't want to hapr on Yazz,


That's obvious by your last 3 posts that have just trashed him to bits. :eek: :eek:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:31 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
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Sorry, I don't want to hapr on Yazz,


That's obvious by your last 3 posts that have just trashed him to bits. :eek: :eek:

Regards Cazzesman

Tell me about it. Yarran's job was to distribute the ball from HF, I can understand him taking his eye off to look for the next option. He'll learn to have an idea of the play ahead of him, rather than looking over his shoulder while receiving the ball. The dropped mark was out of character with this.

He may not have seen a lot of the ball in the first half but he was still floating around any contest forward of centre. Imagine when the fitness and confidence are there.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:44 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Tell me about it. Yarran's job was to distribute the ball from HF, I can understand him taking his eye off to look for the next option. He'll learn to have an idea of the play ahead of him, rather than looking over his shoulder while receiving the ball. The dropped mark was out of character with this.


The people who actually viewed were left in no doubt. The groans from the crowd told the story. He heard footsteps and ducked his head.

Budzy, I'm more than happy for Yarran to get a lot of game time. This isn't about consistency or ability. He has a heap of potential and may well be a star player for the blues but let's not pretend the incident didn't happen. Plenty of 16-17 year old kids get a line put through their names for taking short steps and dont even get drafted. Once you get to the elite level, you dont suddenly become exempt to criticism. I have no doubt Ratten will be replaying the incident to him and letting him know he let himself down badly.
Yarran has shown an unwillingness to commit his body since he was drafted. I hope he changes his ways because he has everything else going for him. He has plenty of time and opportunities ahead of him.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:49 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I think Jimmae's report is just about spot on, and I agree with him that Yarran's performance wasn't as bad as some have suggested.


Where were you sitting?


So Yarran was the only one not throwing himself in with 100% recklessness yesterday? :roll: Dream on. It was an intra club scratch match in February.

Anyway, we didn't recruit Yarran to be Glenn Archer. And judging by the overall average-to-poor skill level yesterday (which is more of a concern than a 19 y.o. squibbing one contest, IMO), I'm glad we have a young player of Yarran's natural skill on our list. I actually thought he raised the standard of play in a couple of passages in the last quarter with his smooth ball handling and kicking.

He didn't have a great game yesterday, but I think you've been harsh on him in this thread. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't line up for us next week.

And what difference does it make where I was sitting? Trust me, I was there and I had an unobstructed view of the entire match... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:49 pm 
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Yarran was ordinary. Pretty disappointing as most of the crowd would have loved nothing more than for him to put in a blinder above anyone else.

He still has plenty of upside and looks a talent, but lets hope yesterdays intraclub isn't indicative of the sorts of efforts we're going to see from him throughout the year. He just looks lazy.

He did look a bit better value when shifted to half back and was involved in a couple encouraging passages of play rebounding. Still, having said that, he was only doing what a professional footy player should do: hit targets when running in space.

The incident being spoken about I assume is the one on the half forward flank at the Heatley end. It wasn't great, considering it's an intraclub. If you can't feel comfortable putting your hands out in front in heavy traffic during a match consisting of only your teammates then I don't know when you will be.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:52 pm 
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I agree BV.
I'm sure he'll be rightly made aware of what 'efforts' are required and yes he needs to lose that part of his game.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:10 pm 
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Intra-clubs are a bit strange. If forwards do well you worry about the defenders. If defenders do well you worry about the forwards. Coaches don't want to give away too much of their game plans in front of people like Scott West. Some supporters worry about what they see. I'm happy to enjoy the good bits and overlook the rest.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:29 pm 
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If you can't feel comfortable putting your hands out in front in heavy traffic during a match consisting of only your teammates then I don't know when you will be.


I think a player's mindset in an intra club match is more likely to be "I want to impress the MC but I don't want to do anything that will put myself or a teammate at unnecessary risk".

That's why someone like Judd didn't necessarily put himself in some of the spots yesterday that he might do in a 'normal' match (and before anyone jumps down my throat, I am not questioning the great man's courage - quite the opposite in fact - and I am not saying he didn't play well yesterday). So Yarran may or may not need to develop into a more courageous player, but don't crucify the guy for squibbing one contest in an intra club game.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:41 pm 
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Just checked my calendar and have confirmed it's mid-February.

This was the first intra-club practice match of the year and Yarran ducked his head. Dare I say it, but big deal. Kreuzer ducked his head in a game in his first season, but not for a moment would anyone question his courage or commitment.

The reason why we have these practice matches is to iron out player deficiencies. On top of that, Yarran is going to be an outside player whose job is to finish of the grunt work.

Memories of 1981/82 come flooding back, when we didn't win any practice games, and Parkin used to pull his hair out about lack of commitment to the contest.

It seemed to turn out ok in the end. Parkin didn't hit the panic button then, and it would pay to not reach for it now.

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Guys here is a comprehensive report with photos that I put up on my own blog http://thepremiershipquarter.wordpress.com/


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Did the HUN say whether Robbo came down with a shiner after taking that grab? :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:02 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
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If you can't feel comfortable putting your hands out in front in heavy traffic during a match consisting of only your teammates then I don't know when you will be.


I think a player's mindset in an intra club match is more likely to be "I want to impress the MC but I don't want to do anything that will put myself or a teammate at unnecessary risk".

That's why someone like Judd didn't necessarily put himself in some of the spots yesterday that he might do in a 'normal' match (and before anyone jumps down my throat, I am not questioning the great man's courage - quite the opposite in fact - and I am not saying he didn't play well yesterday). So Yarran may or may not need to develop into a more courageous player, but don't crucify the guy for squibbing one contest in an intra club game.


The issue, if there is one, is that there was absolutely no need for him to do so. It wasn't as though he was tracking back with the flight with big defenders/forwards coming towards him, he was leading out onto the flank and he pulled out of his mark, fumbling and disappearing from the play. It was a regulation mark on the lead and he looked sideways expecting contact then flubbed it.

By no means does this indicate a crucifixion of the guy, far from it. What it does mean is that he still exhibits a trait that held him back last year: laziness.

He simply doesn't work hard enough. There were plenty of guys out there working their asses off... But sadly not Yarran.

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