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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:59 am 
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Not sure what to make of this… if true:

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Browne said Liddle had been “making his own appointments and reshaping the footy department”.


Either the SOS fallout is such that he needs to do this to keep a semblance of functionality, or he's overstepping his role and micro managing.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:48 am 
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Could be as simple as
a) "my work is done here" and wants to move onto other challenges and business ventures in his life
b) doesn't want to be put in a difficult position re. his sons or be perceived to be in conflict with their progress at the club
c) is over the AFL's manipulation / orchestration / restraint in his attempts to land players to the club


Sounds legit to me. 5 drafts is enough for anyone IMO. Bombers should keep Dodoro though, forever.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:59 am 
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If the rumours are true about SOS leaving, I think it is a shame. However, he leaves the club having largely executed the role he was brought in to play. Like he did at GWS, the task was to bring in the best young talent to set us up for the next 10 years. SOS pulled off good deals to give us more access to the draft (like the Gibbs trade, Hendo trade and Stocker pick swap). The 2015 draft (Weiters, Harry, Charlie, Cunners and Jack) looks like a huge winner - the type that sets you up for prolonged success. Walsh is already a star. SPS, Fisher, Dow, O’Brien, TDK and Stocker are all still 19-21 year olds with a heap of upside. In 2-3 years, we’ll know how many of them will contribute meaningfully to our success going forward, but I suspect most probably will in the long run. We’ve got another top 10 pick this year to work with. SOS has also brought in other highly touted youngsters beyond the national draft - Plowman, Marchbank, Kennedy, Setterfield and (hopefully) Martin. Again, if a few of these make it, we will be very well placed going forward.

And, perhaps most importantly, SOS has turned us into an attractive destination for a new list manager. Whoever takes the role will know that they are walking into a club stocked with serious young talent, like when SOS left GWS. Remember that when SOS took over the list in 2015 it was a disaster and yes it isn’t a perfect list, but it sure has the potential to be good going forward.

I’m not saying everything SOS did was great - some of the draft picks inevitably won’t come through and some of the trading hasn’t always worked. But on the whole I think he leaves us (if the rumours are true) in a strong position for the next 10 years.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:16 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Not sure what to make of this… if true:

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Browne said Liddle had been “making his own appointments and reshaping the footy department”.


Either the SOS fallout is such that he needs to do this to keep a semblance of functionality, or he's overstepping his role and micro managing.

:confused:

Absolutely.


Or SOS wants more power than his role dictates

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:38 pm 
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I like Liddle...!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:45 pm 
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tommi wrote:
I like Liddle...!


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I can't stand the prick...!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:40 pm 
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What's the deal Doc....

too tough...?

i respect your view on these things...i'm not
up with the inner dealings...!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:05 pm 
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Just a Liddle prick?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:06 pm 
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Just a Liddle prick?


There’ll be no more aaaaahhh,
But you may feel a little sick....


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:59 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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Just a Liddle prick?


There’ll be no more aaaaahhh,
But you may feel a little sick....


Can you stand up?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:00 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Not sure what to make of this… if true:

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Browne said Liddle had been “making his own appointments and reshaping the footy department”.


Either the SOS fallout is such that he needs to do this to keep a semblance of functionality, or he's overstepping his role and micro managing.

:confused:



"making his own appointments and reshaping the footy dept"

isn't that his job along with Lloyd? Certainly not SOS's job?


Yes, well observed. I may have misread that quote. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:02 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
tommi wrote:
I like Liddle...!


kindest regards tommi


I can't stand the prick...!

kindest regards docsherrin

are you serious or just talking shit!!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:26 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Just a Liddle prick?


There’ll be no more aaaaahhh,
But you may feel a little sick....


:clap:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:29 pm 
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All we've seen is some Brendan Gale cut & pastes and some positive PR spin and the Carlton faithful, who own a 1995 Hyundai Elantra, think they're getting Tesla with their trade-in.

I'll give him a break when I see some real innovation, but thus far I've seen nothing.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:35 pm 
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All we've seen is some Brendan Gale cut & pastes and some positive PR spin and the Carlton faithful, who own a 1995 Hyundai Elantra, think they're getting Tesla with their trade-in.

I'll give him a break when I see some real innovation, but thus far I've seen nothing.

Give us some examples of your innovations that worked and i will compare them to Brendon Gales !!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:39 pm 
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If the rumours are true about SOS leaving, I think it is a shame. However, he leaves the club having largely executed the role he was brought in to play. Like he did at GWS, the task was to bring in the best young talent to set us up for the next 10 years. SOS pulled off good deals to give us more access to the draft (like the Gibbs trade, Hendo trade and Stocker pick swap). The 2015 draft (Weiters, Harry, Charlie, Cunners and Jack) looks like a huge winner - the type that sets you up for prolonged success. Walsh is already a star. SPS, Fisher, Dow, O’Brien, TDK and Stocker are all still 19-21 year olds with a heap of upside. In 2-3 years, we’ll know how many of them will contribute meaningfully to our success going forward, but I suspect most probably will in the long run. We’ve got another top 10 pick this year to work with. SOS has also brought in other highly touted youngsters beyond the national draft - Plowman, Marchbank, Kennedy, Setterfield and (hopefully) Martin. Again, if a few of these make it, we will be very well placed going forward.

And, perhaps most importantly, SOS has turned us into an attractive destination for a new list manager. Whoever takes the role will know that they are walking into a club stocked with serious young talent, like when SOS left GWS. Remember that when SOS took over the list in 2015 it was a disaster and yes it isn’t a perfect list, but it sure has the potential to be good going forward.

I’m not saying everything SOS did was great - some of the draft picks inevitably won’t come through and some of the trading hasn’t always worked. But on the whole I think he leaves us (if the rumours are true) in a strong position for the next 10 years.


Agree. You can’t win them all but to turn over our list from what it was to what it is in 4 years is pretty remarkable. I think he’s done a great job at the draft with a lot more hits than misses, although a lot depends on how the likes of Cuningham, Fisher, Dow, O’Brien, TDK, Stocker develop. Weiters and Walsh were easy picks, Charlie was a steal at 12 and Harry looks a very good pick at 10 so far.

I think SOS’ biggest strength has been his ability to manufacturer maximum value out of tradeable players. He managed to give us much stronger draft hands by trading out players like Gibbs, Yarran, Bell, Hendo, Touhy. Touhy is probably the only one who has gone to have a big impact at his new club. This strategy has meant some short term pain but it’s set us up for sustained success rather than floundering around mid table.

He’s also done really well to get some talented youngsters in well under value, plowman, setters, Kennedy etc. he had a few misses with this strategy like Pickett and sumner but they all came so cheap that you only need one or two hits for it to pay off. If much rather this strategy than giving up two first rounders for a player like Shiel.

I think his biggest weakness has been in recycled players, late draft picks and rookie picks. There’s been a lot of misses there. I guess it’s hard when you’re turning over so many players every year, but I think he could have gone with a few more speculative youngsters with rookie picks rather than waste of space players like OShea, Shaw etc


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:55 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
tommi wrote:
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kindest regards tommi


I can't stand the prick...!

kindest regards docsherrin


Bit harsh ?

The board hired him with an aim to increase membership (which he's delivering on) amongst the other usual stuff.

The 10yr deal with Puma seems a big deal. Would like to know how it compares financially with the Nike deal ..?

The Carlton College of Sport is an interesting initiative. Would like to see some numbers on that too ..?

Re the SOS/Liddle relationship - the CEO should always have the ultimate say on who is hired and fired.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm 
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Rexy wrote:

Bit harsh ?

The board hired him with an aim to increase membership (which he's delivering on) But for how long?

The 10yr deal with Puma seems a big deal. Would like to know how it compares financially with the Nike deal ..? Not his deal

The Carlton College of Sport is an interesting initiative. Would like to see some numbers on that too ..? Not his idea

Re the SOS/Liddle relationship - the CEO should always have the ultimate say on who is hired and fired.No arguments there


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:09 am 
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Disappointed by this. I would have thought showing a united front was vital going forward. This ain't it !
Having said that, this is very Carlton. When I was a kid there were internal rumblings to the extent they were referred to as the ''Battling Blues''. Internal Battling !!
Possibly the most publicised issue was how divided the club was over who coached the Blues, Jim Francis or Ken Hands.
Enter George Harris. Immediately followed by Ron Barassi. None of that is relevant today of course, but our club does have a history of ''We catch and kill our own''. To borrow a phrase from the Painters and Dockers Union.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:27 am 
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Blue Monday wrote:
Could be as simple as
a) "my work is done here" and wants to move onto other challenges and business ventures in his life
b) doesn't want to be put in a difficult position re. his sons or be perceived to be in conflict with their progress at the club
c) is over the AFL's manipulation / orchestration / restraint in his attempts to land players to the club


+1 that's the way I am reading it as well.


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