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bmaurizio · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1582

toddkurnski wrote:

Thinking back, I think Barker won two and lost a couple of close ones when he took over. I’m not sure whether there was a groundswell of support for him though. After that short renaissance, the teams performance fell away to come last.

Teague needs to keep winning to have a chance. Looking at that GC team, losing this week would be a pretty significant blow to his chances.

We’ll win comfortably , Suns have an enormous injury list and are demoralized , directionless and very inexperienced set up , really not t in a good place , the AFL have a real doozy on their hands.
Teaugy and the boys will be aggressively challenge from next week onwards, aganist Crows , Eagles, Tigers and Cats.

sinbagger · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:17 pm

Steve_C7 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

Steve_C7 wrote:

sinbagger wrote:

Steve_C7 wrote:

[quote="jake_h03"]Why don’t we just hold off the decision until the end of 2020? If we like Teague but aren’t convinced yet, we could just continue the caretaker situation into next year. At the moment he’s going as well as you could hope from any new coach, so give him a full season with a full pre season to prepare. Gives us the best of both worlds. The chance to see what Teague can do, while maintaining the opportunity to go after an experienced coach in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.

We can't afford to waste any year in AFL, we either believe that Teague will take this team to the big dance or not.

I personally like Teague as a coach and more importantly his philosophy on how the game should be played. Ultra defensive coaches haven't won a premiership since 2005 and if you look further over the decades, it shows that it is a very rare for an ultra defensive team wins premierships, it's all about balance and Teague has shown in the few games that he has been in charge that he is getting the balance more to where it should be to play finals football.

There’s the same chance that we’ll waste next year under a messiah coach as under Teague. Does it really matter if we spend another year with Teague and then change? I think not, just put him on the same employee package that Bolton was on.

But, we shouldn’t decide until the season is done.

No coach, Teague included will accept a 1 year contract and what will we achieve next year if we change coach again?

We can't be half pregnant about who is going to lead this club, Teague is either our man or he is not.

Disagree. Senior coaching jobs are bloody hard to come by and I think Teague jump at another year to prove himself even if there’s no guarantees beyond that. Who knows when he’ll get another opportunity, and he has one of the most talented young lists in the league at his disposal with a lot of players who have done their apprenticeship

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I suspect his manager will be advising that a 1 year contract could be a poison chalice as a bad run of injuries to key players could mean no extension and very few get a second chance.

Further from a club point of view it shows that we don't have a clear direction of where we are heading, can't make strong decisions and don't back our coach to do the job.

Good luck getting free agents and sponsors to the club[/quote]

Don’t offer him a one year contract, offer him employment with no term just like with Bolton.

murraycray · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:04 am

I agree that this GC game is very important re Teague's chances of getting the gig full time.
But, history tells us Ratts had 6 games left to navigate when he took over from Denis.
Didn't win any !!!
But still got the gig at season's end.
Where that points now to IHNFI.
But as I'm now in the Teague camp I hope like hell we win this.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

murraycray wrote:

I agree that this GC game is very important re Teague's chances of getting the gig full time.
But, history tells us Ratts had 6 games left to navigate when he took over from Denis.
Didn't win any !!!
But still got the gig at season's end.
Where that points now to IHNFI.
But as I'm now in the Teague camp I hope like hell we win this.

Wasn’t Ratts measured on ‘losing’ to get the job and a high draft pick? ;-)

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 5529

bmaurizio wrote:

toddkurnski wrote:

Thinking back, I think Barker won two and lost a couple of close ones when he took over. I’m not sure whether there was a groundswell of support for him though. After that short renaissance, the teams performance fell away to come last.

Teague needs to keep winning to have a chance. Looking at that GC team, losing this week would be a pretty significant blow to his chances.

We’ll win comfortably , Suns have an enormous injury list and are demoralized , directionless and very inexperienced set up , really not t in a good place , the AFL have a real doozy on their hands.
Teaugy and the boys will be aggressively challenge from next week onwards, aganist Crows , Eagles, Tigers and Cats.

That was us last year and we didn't get any sympathy from the AFL or greater community. Self inflicted apparently.
They're doing exactly what we did with our rebuild and now everyone feels sorry for them. Very confusing.

muzza · **Joined:** Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:41 pm **Posts:** 2371

Sidefx wrote:

bmaurizio wrote:

toddkurnski wrote:

Thinking back, I think Barker won two and lost a couple of close ones when he took over. I’m not sure whether there was a groundswell of support for him though. After that short renaissance, the teams performance fell away to come last.

Teague needs to keep winning to have a chance. Looking at that GC team, losing this week would be a pretty significant blow to his chances.

We’ll win comfortably , Suns have an enormous injury list and are demoralized , directionless and very inexperienced set up , really not t in a good place , the AFL have a real doozy on their hands.
Teaugy and the boys will be aggressively challenge from next week onwards, aganist Crows , Eagles, Tigers and Cats.

That was us last year and we didn't get any sympathy from the AFL or greater community. Self inflicted apparently.
They're doing exactly what we did with our rebuild and now everyone feels sorry for them. Very confusing.

Not really. GC suns are cobbled together with "blu-tack and gaffer tape". There is no history or massive supporter base that will sustain the club. When we become successful again, and we will, we will clearly be in the top 4 clubs in terms of supporters and revenue as a result. They will need constant surveillance and assistance in order to survive, let alone thrive.

I would go as far to as to say that if Sydney were ever to bottom out their supporters would leave them in droves. There is not much holding all of these Northern clubs together, other than the AFL. Not that I feel sorry for them, but they are in a bind. At least we have a passionate base behind us.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 5529

muzza wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

bmaurizio wrote:

toddkurnski wrote:

Thinking back, I think Barker won two and lost a couple of close ones when he took over. I’m not sure whether there was a groundswell of support for him though. After that short renaissance, the teams performance fell away to come last.

Teague needs to keep winning to have a chance. Looking at that GC team, losing this week would be a pretty significant blow to his chances.

We’ll win comfortably , Suns have an enormous injury list and are demoralized , directionless and very inexperienced set up , really not t in a good place , the AFL have a real doozy on their hands.
Teaugy and the boys will be aggressively challenge from next week onwards, aganist Crows , Eagles, Tigers and Cats.

That was us last year and we didn't get any sympathy from the AFL or greater community. Self inflicted apparently.
They're doing exactly what we did with our rebuild and now everyone feels sorry for them. Very confusing.

Not really. GC suns are cobbled together with "blu-tack and gaffer tape". There is no history or massive supporter base that will sustain the club. When we become successful again, and we will, we will clearly be in the top 4 clubs in terms of supporters and revenue as a result. They will need constant surveillance and assistance in order to survive, let alone thrive.

I would go as far to as to say that if Sydney were ever to bottom out their supporters would leave them in droves. There is not much holding all of these Northern clubs together, other than the AFL. Not that I feel sorry for them, but they are in a bind. At least we have a passionate base behind us.

Yes as far as "off field" performance and position you are correct.

They have a pretty obvious off field solution but the AFL would have to swallow some pride first. They could merge with the Sharks and become the Gold Coast Sharks.

toddkurnski · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:27 am **Posts:** 3581

Sounds like a bad deal for the Sharks.

People talk about the Sharks a lot but the membership is for cheap food and beverages like a leagues club.

They do have a much better name though.

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:37 pm

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... cks-deluca

Honesty is always a breath of fresh air mixed with some genuine civility.

Regards Cazzesman

BigKev · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:58 pm

According to an earlier article: Carlton’s selection panel consists of CEO Cain Liddle, footy boss Brad Lloyd, football director Chris Judd and board member David Campbell.

Does anyone know who was on the selection panel that chose Bolton? (or Mick for that matter).

AGRO · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:05 pm

BigKev wrote:

According to an earlier article: Carlton’s selection panel consists of CEO Cain Liddle, footy boss Brad Lloyd, football director Chris Judd and board member David Campbell.

Does anyone know who was on the selection panel that chose Bolton? (or Mick for that matter).

As I remember for Bolton

Ken Sheldon
Ange Postecoglou

we’re two of the five - can’t remember the other three off the top of my head.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23865

Cazzesman wrote:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-07-19/teague-backs-deluca

Honesty is always a breath of fresh air mixed with some genuine civility.

Regards Cazzesman

I think I have my first coach's crush. :grin:

I mean by that, I love the way he goes about it. :wink:

do the job and you'll stay in the team. :thanks:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:00 pm

BigKev wrote:

According to an earlier article: Carlton’s selection panel consists of CEO Cain Liddle, footy boss Brad Lloyd, football director Chris Judd and board member David Campbell.

Does anyone know who was on the selection panel that chose Bolton? (or Mick for that matter).

Mick was Sticks and Swanny, at least, if there was anyone else they were wasting their time, unless their surname was Mathieson.

Bolts was Trigg, Postecoglou, Judd and Sheldon. (ref)

Stamos · **Joined:** Mon May 31, 2010 10:07 pm **Posts:** 1984

BigKev wrote:

According to an earlier article: Carlton’s selection panel consists of CEO Cain Liddle, footy boss Brad Lloyd, football director Chris Judd and board member David Campbell.

Does anyone know who was on the selection panel that chose Bolton? (or Mick for that matter).

Campbell
Trigg
Sheldon
Judd
Postecoglou

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17567

AGRO wrote:

BigKev wrote:

According to an earlier article: Carlton’s selection panel consists of CEO Cain Liddle, footy boss Brad Lloyd, football director Chris Judd and board member David Campbell.

Does anyone know who was on the selection panel that chose Bolton? (or Mick for that matter).

As I remember for Bolton

Ken Sheldon
Ange Postecoglou

we’re two of the five - can’t remember the other three off the top of my head.

Larry, Curly and Mo

Crusader · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:04 pm

The biggest improvement for us will be spending enough on the coaching staff to push above the tax threshold.

If it is to be Teague, he won't have the luxuries afforded to the likes of Hardwick & Buckley, or the small market loyalty enjoyed by Chris Scott. But, an appropriate war chest will at least give him a fighting chance.

Long gone are the days when assistants would turn up for next to nothing, just to have Sheedy, Malthouse, Roos, Eade, Pagan, etc on their resume.

famousblueraincoat · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:09 pm

The Normal One wrote:

murraycray wrote:

I agree that this GC game is very important re Teague's chances of getting the gig full time.
But, history tells us Ratts had 6 games left to navigate when he took over from Denis.
Didn't win any !!!
But still got the gig at season's end.
Where that points now to IHNFI.
But as I'm now in the Teague camp I hope like hell we win this.

Wasn’t Ratts measured on ‘losing’ to get the job and a high draft pick? ;-)

oh' the roads we have travelled

HarryMcGoat · **Joined:** Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:17 pm **Posts:** 11

Shit move by Brett Ratten to put his hand up for the Carlton job, when he is the Saints caretaker coach.

If David Teague put his hand up and expressed interest in the Norf or Stains job, I would be livid.

As a senior coach, I feel Ratten had too many control freak qualities to Bolton, I don't want him back,for love nor money.

As much shit as Ross Lyon cops , at least he does seem to delegate to his assistant coaches at times.

I reckon Lyon will get the job tbh, and I am fine with that.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

No problem with it. He is playing the political game.

No problem if Teague did it either.

They are fill in coaches.

Menzel_Mayhem · **Joined:** Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:44 am **Posts:** 819

Teague again impressed me with how he spoke to the team re. Deluca’s Debut. He seems like a non-authoritarian leader, essentially a true leader, rather than a micro manager. Plus his CV is fantastic.

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