Independent Selection Committee for 2016 coach (see pg8)

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:05 pm

camelboy wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

I would not have thought a guy who is so obviously very much a part of a rival is a good choice.

The AFL biz in Melb is cut throat, he may well steer us down the wrong path.

AFAIK Dunstall has no longer has an official role with Hawthorn.

Seeking people from the outside is exactly what we should be doing.

I trust that someone like Dunstall would have the right character to fill the role with the honesty and integrity required.

So he doesn't want them to succeed at the expense of the Hawks competitors?

Not saying he shouldn't, because I don't know the guy, but I've not seen anything but thinly disguised glee at from him in discussing our woes.

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13629

Yes for Dunstall and Yes for Walls.

I've said in the past that Ron Gauci would have been a great get as CEO even though he is a bombers man. He turns businesses around that have been poorly performed. Did it with the Storm after their salary cap debacle and NMIT turning around a $37m deficit. He's a great judge of people and I think he should be in on the coaches selection committee then replace Trigg as CEO.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

cimm1979 wrote:

Punter22 wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

I would not have thought a guy who is so obviously very much a part of a rival is a good choice.

The AFL biz in Melb is cut throat, he may well steer us down the wrong path.

May as well get Eddie to pick our next Prez. Yes, he'd probably recognize the right one, but it doesn't mean he'd recommend them.

Walls was on a committee which selected Lyon to coach St Kilda over much higher profiled and favoured candidates. we shouldn't be blinkered in our approach to this. We need the best people to make the call, not the best Carlton people.

Walls worked for a lot of clubs, but he was never CEO and intimately involved in the success of a club from a business sense.

Dunstall recognizes that every year the Hawks are at the top and we are at the bottom is more kids wearing Hawks jumpers. Kids drive memberships because parents look for things to do with the kids.

It's a fight for life in Melb now and I would be very cautious in appointing a guy who doesn't have skin in the game or is 100% committed to making sure we get the right person. Independence is one thing, but there's also a risk if the selection panel is made up of people who may consider themselves aloof from the consequences.

Yep. Agree 100%.

We want independence, but we want people with Carlton's future in their hearts.

So, at least ONE of Walls, Parkin, etc.

Perhaps a recent ex-player.

Perhaps Ange Postecoglou - Carlton supporter, understands coaching at elite level, young and still in the game.

OK, so I got Parkin, Postecoglou, and Walls. Hmm, probably need a young guy to replace one of Walls and Parkin.

Let's see.... recently retired, leadership, successful club.... Ling, Harley, Maxwell.

OK, Parkin, Postecoglou, Maxwell. That's my committee. I reckon they'd come up with a good coach.

Now, is the Board still there? WHAT??? They are??? How come?? Come on you guys, I'm working out the coaching committee, your job meanwhile is to get rid of these Board members. Just like they told Mick - See You Next Tuesday, I want THEM gone before next Tuesday too.

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13629

As for ex-player, I reckon we could do worse than Judd considering he wont be there next year and would obviously know the playing group and what they would respond to.

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:07 pm

Everybody is amused with where the club is at...
It's even bizarrely amusing to some of us.. Simply because.. How did it come to this?

Ponkstar · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:08 pm

What about the 3 blokes on the tribunal who found the unfairly accused Essendon* players innocent of all charges?

They clearly have a track record of doing what's best for footy.

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13629

Ling would be good too.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

Parkin
Postecoglou
Maxwell

Come on everyone. Get behind it!

camel · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:17 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

camelboy wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

I would not have thought a guy who is so obviously very much a part of a rival is a good choice.

The AFL biz in Melb is cut throat, he may well steer us down the wrong path.

AFAIK Dunstall has no longer has an official role with Hawthorn.

Seeking people from the outside is exactly what we should be doing.

I trust that someone like Dunstall would have the right character to fill the role with the honesty and integrity required.

So he doesn't want them to succeed at the expense of the Hawks competitors?

Not saying he shouldn't, because I don't know the guy, but I've not seen anything but thinly disguised glee at from him in discussing our woes.

That's the media performer doing his job.

I don't know the guy either, but I reckon he would do his best because, frankly, his reputation and ego are at stake. There is a lot more to Dunstall than we see in the spotlight.

But you're right to ask the question. :thumbsup:

jimmae · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:17 pm

I think we should have 4 or 5 on said panel.

So far I like all of the mooted names save for Darcy.

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

Dunstall, Walls, Maxwell and Jude Bolton

camel · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:38 pm

jimmae wrote:

I think we should have 4 or 5 on said panel.

So far I like all of the mooted names save for Darcy.

Why 4 or 5?

I'm open to it, but there's already 10 board members who need to rubber stamp the recommendation. Or, simply, should a current board member be involved. Or by default would MLG and Triggsy be included?

Heavs · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:38 pm

Why don't we just get Jimmae to do it?

Dukes · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:50 pm

Synbad wrote:

Everybody is amused with where the club is at...
It's even bizarrely amusing to some of us.. Simply because.. How did it come to this?

15 years in the making. We got it wrong by not putting Wayne Brittain through a selection process and we've been stuffing it up ever since!

jimmae · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:53 pm

camelboy wrote:

jimmae wrote:

I think we should have 4 or 5 on said panel.

So far I like all of the mooted names save for Darcy.

Why 4 or 5?

I'm open to it, but there's already 10 board members who need to rubber stamp the recommendation. Or, simply, should a current board member be involved. Or by default would MLG and Triggsy be included?

Basically I want more than 3 in case one of them is an idiot. Water down their decision making power.

TheSwan · **Joined:** Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:37 pm **Posts:** 1932

I don't understand the practicality of having people outside the club picking our coach. What do they know about any internal issues? How can they pick someone that is a good fit for the club without knowing anything about it?

Surely Trigg or a member of the club has to be apart of this process.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28221

I think Dunstall would be the first to get a call for this committee. :thumbsup:

jimmae · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 12:59 pm

They don't have a clue on the internal culture and nor are they unduly influenced by it; that's partly the point. They give a recommendation that can bring a club into contention.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 4828

moshe25 wrote:

Parkin
Postecoglou
Maxwell

Come on everyone. Get behind it!

we're going need a lot of fire extinguishes.

camel · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2015 1:01 pm

TheSwan wrote:

I don't understand the practicality of having people outside the club picking our coach. What do they know about any internal issues? How can they pick someone that is a good fit for the club without knowing anything about it?

Surely Trigg or a member of the club has to be apart of this process.

Presumably the selection panel would be given a brief or set of guiding principles from the CEO in which to follow. ie. the type of coach we are looking for is...?

The benefit of the outside influence is that they are free to think, question, evaluate without the responsibility of running the club day to day. And also without any internal baggage that may impede their decision making.

The panel then has to sell its recommendation to the board. So there would still be approval from within.

Independent Selection Committee for 2016 coach (see pg8)

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