I feel our beloved Club is at breaking point, and I'm fearful of the direction we will take under the guidance of the Sticks and Mathieson approved new President. Yes, people will say that I'm judging a guy before he;s even started his job, but the fact that LoGiudice flew to Qld to get Mathieson's blessing says it all really.
Our Club is quickly becoming like Melbourne Football Club, in that we continue to live off past glories and a reputation long gone. We have a whole generation of new supporters who can hardly, if at all, recall our Glory Years. Apart from Judd, who from the last 15 years can we say is a true great of the Club ? Nobody really.
From our 12 man puppet Board, to our embarrassing Recruitment and Development Department, we have failed to move with the times, and our Club is suffering both on and off the field because of it. Teams like Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney laugh at us.
The direction this new President and his Board decide to take, and the changes they will / will not make to this Club, will be the most important since the 1960s. WE NEED A COMPLETE CHANGE OF CULTURE!!!
We were in no position to pick or chose a President back when Dick Pratt stepped in, as we were broke and on field reigning Wooden Spooners. While things are pretty bad right now, they re far from that bad so we're in a position to demand change if we re not happy.
We all feel that our Club has stagnated and once again fallen further behind the other Power Clubs of Melbourne who we were once the envy of. Are we as a Club and a Supporter Base happy to sit back while the powers that be continue to dine out on our past achievements, or will we get someone into the job who will bite the bullet and make the tough calls and finally move this Club forward to be able to compete with the likes of Collingwood, and Hawthorn.
My question is, is there anything we as a supporter base can do to make sure the right people are put in place both as president and on the Board ? The Pratts nor the Mathiesons are the answer.

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

Through social media CSC TC organise a rally at the ground say a date and time get some club legends with clout to speak who feel the same way.
The message would be
@#$%&! off Mathiesons and Pratts

Yeah placards.........

nothing says progress like placards.........!


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Scones.

And a well stocked bain marie.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

so glad your back !!!!

Dominator,

I reckon you cant really do anything to ensure the right changes take place.

Its always about taking a risk and going on gut feel.

Need to trust the people that are put in place, and that includes the players.

We were a club that set trends and broke moulds etc... and that was primarily due to risk taking and trust.

We are currently a dishonest club, internally and externally, and if you couple that with a riskless culture, then you get exactly what we have been witnessing over the past 12 years.

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Vice President, International Extreme Sarcasm Society (IESS)

12 years?
20 years... even the 95 flag can be traced back to the old VFL

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True that we made some list management errors post 95, and we fell behind, but were still competitive enough to have one more shot at a 17th flag in 1999.

But the previous 12 years have been far worse. The dark ages. We can't even emerge from the smelly pit we have dug for ourselves. In fact, we have been feeding on ourselves. Reminds me of the tigers post 82.

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thats what happens when u have a poor inward looking culture and not a vibrant outward looking culture
this club is suffering from years of inbreeding and isolationism.. suddenly trying to bring in some fresh blood by an injection of collingwood

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The comparisons of where we are right now to that of Richmond of the 80s and 90s is very apt.

Refresh my memory, but how was Smorgy and his incompetent administration pushed out of office ? Can we do the same to the Judge if he presents a 'same old same old' way of doing things ?

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

The solution may not involve throwing everything and everyone out and starting again.

The cats could have done that in 2006. Bomber Thompson was there for quite a few years without ultimate success, the same players, same administration.

They decided to do an honest review from top to bottom. Nobody was missed. No exemptions.

They won the 2007 flag, had a hick up in 2008, losing the un loseable GF, but learn from it and became even stronger....

We have never conducted an honest internal review from top to bottom. Board, admin, management, players, development, marketing, sponsorship, coaching, facilities, etc...

We use the silver billet method.... Someone has an idea about recruiting a big name coach, or big name player, and they write out a cheque...that doesn't work anymore, if you have major deficiencies throughout the organisation.

That's why getting Judd had minimal effect (even if we ignore his poor performance as skipper), getting rid of Fev had minimal effect (a negative effect actually) and changing coaches doesn't solve anything either...

If we have all these holes and deficiencies throughout the club, then you may as well give someone on TC chosen at random 50k to coach the team. (At least you can save some money)

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The fact we have had a caretaker president in for the past 6 years shows that the only people with real passion for the football club are us on this forum here.

McGuire has passion for his club, it has shown through his relentless desire to improve all aspects from the club top to bottom.

When he took the position, around when Tont Shaw was coach, they were on the verge on insolvency and a complete basket case both on and off the field.

A president with balls and passion is what has driven them to the top.

Our president of the past 6 years has been a seat filler. It shows through every aspect of the club.

It is a toy, social club and play thing of the wealthy supporters we have. Nothing more. There is no real passion and desire at the top.

It is the reason we are poor or behind in most aspects. Lazy options from people who are half hearted about the success of the club.

Why hasn't there been a review of our dated processes?? We all know why - because a real review would provide recommendations that wouldn't be pleasing to our self serving board.

It leaves me with little hope for out future.

If we somehow get lucky a recruit a few gems - we may rise up the ladder a bit, same way as always through individual brilliance on the field. But that's about it.

There are no standards of excellence and no dedication throughout the entire club.

Agree with most of what you say.

The president, although important, and can drive the agenda of the club, is just one jig saw piece in the puzzle of success...

A club needs to tick all boxes, and as we know a president will have strengths and weaknesses, just like everyone else at the club, including the playing group.

But can the club formulate a strong and united administration, development, coaching and playing entity that can represent our club week in week out?

There are nno short cuts in this caper. The afl is a Far too competitive and corrupt sport to allow short cuts. Even the bombers tried to go via a chemical short cut, and were caught out...

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The last 12 years were a direct result of the 10 years preceding...really, ever since Elliott took over. I remember having a conversation with my dad in the late 90s saying if we weren't careful, Elliott would screw up the Club just as he had screwed up all the other areas of his life. It was obvious what was going on even back then.

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Mens sana in corpore sano.

Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

we wont the flag on the arse end of VFL footy... form fours and top ups..

Having said that... maybe we need to have a mock funeral for the CFC and call the media.. that will put the fox in among the chickens.. they would definitely cover that....

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1. Initiate a kickstarter campaign to raise funds.
2. Jointly draft an open letter to the Carlton FC and the Carlton FC board few listing:
- The concerns of us 'enlightened' few. This should include the fact that our club is being used as a plaything by the Pratts and Mathiesons.
- Their monumental f___ups over the past 20 years.
- What we would like to see changed.
3. Use the funds from the kickstarter campaign to present the open letter to the Carlton FC board by taking out large advertisements in the major (Melbourne based?) papers. This will get the attention of the media, the board and the CFC, and also highlight the issues to non-enlightened supporters.

I pledge $200.

I like this idea.

And I'm sure there are a few professional graphic artists in the TC crowd who could lay it up nicely so it's not just plain text, among other professionals on the board. (The Young Talking Carlton Professional Thinktank?)

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Just do the exact opposite of whatever this Board comes up with.

that is worth a try Whistler...

You forget the Great Powers of the YCP and their Think tank

Surely this is a job for the Think tank ladies and gentlemen...

This is their time to excel with their Think tank

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I'm in.