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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:48 am 
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I suspect plenty are more upset about losing the audience for their question rather than there being no audience for the answer.


They'll get their chance at the AGM. I presume those that normally pontificate are rusted on members. No insightful responses by the suits tonight, so not sure what it achieved. It wasn't engagement and it wasn't transparency, so I'd be recommending they scrap it altogether. Kudos for trying though.


Its a starting point. Part of the communication mix. To see they got off their arses and answer questions, albeit a little rehearsed and sometimes didnt answer the actual question, there was some clarity on the SOS issue, from tjeir perspective, if they are lying the truth will come back to haunt them. They will be found out. Till then, good they're trying to add to the communication mix. The flipside is a far worse proposition imo.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:31 am 
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this was funny I thought. answered by Mr Crookes. :razz:
give us our voting rights back. and enough with the bloody corporate speak.
Dear X, I'm sorry you feel that way/this happened to you/etc etc...however, tough shite.

Who is on the "Independent Nomination Committee" how are they elected? Seems members no longer vote for Board positions why how is this Democratic? - Tony

Tom Crookes | Hi Tony, the Independent Nominations Committee (INC) are a governance sub-committee in line with the Club’s Constitution. The Club Constitution dictates that the INC is comprised of the President and two other persons who are neither Directors nor members of Management and are free from any other impediments that may interfere with their independent judgement. The Members do indeed vote for Board positions whereby they are contested, however it is noted that in recent years, there have been no external nominations made to join the Board and therefore incumbent Directors have been appointed unopposed. The Board do have the power under the Constitution to appoint Directors to fill casual vacancies.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:49 am 
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Who is on the "Independent Nomination Committee" how are they elected? Seems members no longer vote for Board positions why how is this Democratic? - Tony

Tom Crookes | Hi Tony, the Independent Nominations Committee (INC) are a governance sub-committee in line with the Club’s Constitution. The Club Constitution dictates that the INC is comprised of the President and two other persons who are neither Directors nor members of Management and are free from any other impediments that may interfere with their independent judgement. The Members do indeed vote for Board positions whereby they are contested, however it is noted that in recent years, there have been no external nominations made to join the Board and therefore incumbent Directors have been appointed unopposed. The Board do have the power under the Constitution to appoint Directors to fill casual vacancies.


To be fair, Crookes is the secretary, so is the right person to answer that question AND the didn't INC process/change to the constitution get voted in at an AGM a few years back?

If so, he's also right on that.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:28 am 
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Mixed feelings on the whole thing.

I'll never be satisfied with the board being accountable to an 'independent' committee rather than directly to the members. Never.

Having said that though the members don't help themselves with some of the questions they dish up.

It is what it is ...and with that said I think the Q&A covered a fair bit and was noteworthy at times.

The two things I took out of it were that Judd needs to tighten up the processes of the list management committee. The leaks out of there is amateurish.

The other is the Carlton In Business and the Carlton College of Sport NEED to grow to further the case to ditch the filthy lucre.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:33 am 
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The INC is MLG's legacy. Overwhelming support from members in 2014, so no use complaining now. It puts a stop (or at least an amber signal) to silly board challenges and an everyday 'Joe' from getting on the board via people power. 'Members voting rights' was advertised as one of the membership perks for next season, so either they've done a copy/paste or they intend on giving members a vote. You might get a Sayers v Mathieson pres vote...who knows? Cares?


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While on the topic of the forum, here's some more wonderful press for the club
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Carlton chief executive Cain Liddle insists Stephen Silvagni’s conflict of interest hampered the club’s football department as members continued to vent their displeasure.

Liddle defended the failed recruitment of Richmond ­defender Brandon Ellis, saying the ­entire list management group was aware of Liddle using his links to the former Tiger to lure him to Ikon Park.

The Blues’ hierarchy had gone to ground for five days, refusing to publicly discuss why it parted ways with Silvagni, apart from ­releasing a statement about his conflict of interest over his sons.

On Monday it finally used a members’ internet forum organised before the Silvagni decision to try to explain.

The anger from members was palpable, some saying they were appalled by Silvagni’s treatment and ­accusing the Blues of effectively sacking the club great.

But Liddle held the line, ­adamant Silvagni excusing himself from list management meetings handcuffed the football department.

He made clear that all list management decisions were robustly discussed among the entire group, despite player agents believing the team was often not on the same page.

What a @#$%&! ball's up.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:01 pm 
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While on the topic of the forum, here's some more wonderful press for the club
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Carlton chief executive Cain Liddle insists Stephen Silvagni’s conflict of interest hampered the club’s football department as members continued to vent their displeasure.

Liddle defended the failed recruitment of Richmond ­defender Brandon Ellis, saying the ­entire list management group was aware of Liddle using his links to the former Tiger to lure him to Ikon Park.

The Blues’ hierarchy had gone to ground for five days, refusing to publicly discuss why it parted ways with Silvagni, apart from ­releasing a statement about his conflict of interest over his sons.

On Monday it finally used a members’ internet forum organised before the Silvagni decision to try to explain.

The anger from members was palpable, some saying they were appalled by Silvagni’s treatment and ­accusing the Blues of effectively sacking the club great.

But Liddle held the line, ­adamant Silvagni excusing himself from list management meetings handcuffed the football department.

He made clear that all list management decisions were robustly discussed among the entire group, despite player agents believing the team was often not on the same page.

What a @#$%&! ball's up.


It's all spin, it'd be pretty easy to spin the positives from both the responses to the SOS story and the members forum more generally.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:02 pm 
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See! :lol:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/54080 ... mber-forum

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:22 pm 
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You can answer any question with over politically correct language.
MLG is good with the finances but lacks the people skills so necessary for a President to be good.

As I have said repeatedly the club needs a fresh coat of paint at board level.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:29 pm 
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Someone very observant pointed out that there is something missing from the wall in the Carlton Boardroom.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:42 pm 
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keogh wrote:
You can answer any question with over politically correct language.
MLG is good with the finances but lacks the people skills so necessary for a President to be good.

As I have said repeatedly the club needs a fresh coat of paint at board level.


Sure...but the way the system is set up, you're going to be replacing like for like. And that's going to go on in perpetuity in all likelihood...so...


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:02 pm 
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Someone very observant pointed out that there is something missing from the wall in the Carlton Boardroom.


:wink:


the 17th Cup?

What?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:04 pm 
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The portrait of Richard Pratt has been taken down from the Board Room wall - as I said pointed out to me by someone far more observant than I.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:13 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
keogh wrote:
You can answer any question with over politically correct language.
MLG is good with the finances but lacks the people skills so necessary for a President to be good.

As I have said repeatedly the club needs a fresh coat of paint at board level.


Sure...but the way the system is set up, you're going to be replacing like for like. And that's going to go on in perpetuity in all likelihood...so...


Yeah aware of that
So we continue to be out dated


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:50 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
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Who is on the "Independent Nomination Committee" how are they elected? Seems members no longer vote for Board positions why how is this Democratic? - Tony

Tom Crookes | Hi Tony, the Independent Nominations Committee (INC) are a governance sub-committee in line with the Club’s Constitution. The Club Constitution dictates that the INC is comprised of the President and two other persons who are neither Directors nor members of Management and are free from any other impediments that may interfere with their independent judgement. The Members do indeed vote for Board positions whereby they are contested, however it is noted that in recent years, there have been no external nominations made to join the Board and therefore incumbent Directors have been appointed unopposed. The Board do have the power under the Constitution to appoint Directors to fill casual vacancies.


To be fair, Crookes is the secretary, so is the right person to answer that question AND the didn't INC process/change to the constitution get voted in at an AGM a few years back?

If so, he's also right on that.


Not disputing either of those things.
Just amused by a 'crook' answering the question, and annoyed because reckon many were tricked into giving up voting rights.
I didn't vote that way and want my 'averageJoe' rights back. :beer: :smile:

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Mark LoGiudice denies he is Carlton’s invisible president amid turbulent times at Ikon Park
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Two wooden spoons, record membership and an improved financial position are part of Mark LoGiudice’s legacy as Carlton president. But fans criticise him for being “invisible”. Not so, says the man himself.

Mark LoGiudice has denied he is Carlton’s “invisible” president as he prepares to extend his six-year reign at Ikon Park.

The Blues’ fan base didn’t miss LoGiudice in its online member forum, wondering if he ran a boys’ club amid accusations he was “nowhere to be seen”.

LoGiudice has been on the club’s board for nine-and-a-half years of a possible 12-year, four-term limit.

There has been conjecture that a fellow board member, such as PwC boss Luke Sayers, might succeed him.

But as forum members wondered if LoGiudice’s legacy was two wooden spoons and several missed finals chances, he backed his record.

On the accusation he was seen but rarely heard, he said to members: “If you wish to ever see me and want to chat, I am at the vast majority of AFL, VFL and AFLW games and always approachable and available to talk Carlton.

“During my presidency we have delivered a reduced and re-shaped board that is now skill-set based. Record revenue, record profit, and significant reduction of historical debt. Record membership, record home game attendances, record sponsorship, introduction of non-traditional revenue streams including Carlton IN Business and Carlton College of Sport, and a rebuild of the AFL list – the first in the club’s history.”

That board has been able to reduce the club’s debt to $4 million after a third successive year of net profits.

LoGiudice plans to continue as president but the departure of list boss Stephen Silvagni would have been gut wrenching for him given their close relationship.

Football boss Brad Lloyd confirmed the club would continue with the Patrick Cripps-Sam Docherty co-captaincy and defended the decision to move on Dale Thomas despite strong form.

He also defended the club’s decision to lure Josh Deluca in the mid-season draft then jettison him at year’s end.

“When we draft a player we always look at it as a long-term decision hoping they will be at the club as a long-term player. Josh was no different to this and we drafted him with this in mind. In saying this, we would never commit to a player beyond their contracted period,” Lloyd said.

“Josh made the trip across from Perth with the opportunity to continue his AFL career, he did a good job but unfortunately was not able to secure a more permanent position on our playing list.”

CEO Cain Liddle would not commit to the abolition of poker machines at Carlton, saying only that the Blues needed to maximise other revenues to give them options in their business.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:51 am 
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I don't understand the issue. He's obviously not a good public speaker so he rightly limits his media commitments. But as for setting the direction for the club, employing the right people etc, I think he's been excellent.
Too often people like to focus on the negatives instead of looking at the value someone brings.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:29 pm 
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Yeah let's get a President who is the exact opposite of "invisible" publicly

Who calls Kane Cornes an "old c*nt" on live national TV

Who suggests Adam Goodes should be used to promote the new King Kong movie

Sometimes the best thing a president can do is shut the @#$%&! up


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Yup your Spot On

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