Just throwing it out there.....

One for the boffins and also looking for Jarusa's stats here for the case to be made

He is one off our best ever tally (100 by Jezza in 1970) without playing finals, and has been a consistently good goalkicker/targetman for a completely pathetic team. His Coleman medal 2 years back in a bottom squad is testimony to his talent.

Consider that Jezza in 1970 played in a premiership team and had a brilliant midfield feeding him. Fevola for 6 seasons has been number 1 to the worst midfield in the league.. and this year as our midfield has begun to turn around, he has taken his goal-tally along with it.

If Fevola played for Hawthorn he'd be on 120 now (.... and Buddy would be too if he had Fevola's set-shot skills)

There's a lot to be said for "relying too much on one player"... but great teams and great forward lines still have marquee forward lines. Dunstall for example kicked massive bags, but it would be difficult to double or triple team Dunstall because there was Hudson, Brereton, Buckenara etc who would be dangerous. Quality forward lines can spread an opposition defence and all be dangerous, and still look to one player to kick bags. Thats what Hawthorn today do. Hawthorn won't look at Buddy's 100 as an over-reliance on one player.

So, when you consider the main opposition for Fevola's "best carlton fullforward ever", some may not strictly speaking be competition. Jezza and Kernahan played most of their careers in other positions.

Soapy Vallence is our FF of the century. Played at a time when the club wasn't all that good (the 30s), he was also a big game player. He kicked 722 goals in 204 games (ave 3.54).

Fevola's on 486 goals from 164 games... an average of just under 3.

Vallence never got close to 99 goals but then again played fewer games in the season. Fevola's never kicked over 8 in a game whereas Vallence kicked (I think) a game high of 11, and kicked other bags of 10+ (Jarusa, help me out)

So statistically Fev is behind Soapy whereas Soapy lacks some of the personal accolades (Coleman medal)... (though Soapy played in the same time as Coventry so ... yeah....

Boffins...... thoughts?

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Not even near Jezza.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Can we get stats on Jezza's goal average in the years he played FF?

Jarusa?

Do you mind me setting up a thread and then expecting you to do all the work for it?

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phew! I misread this and thought you meant it was one for the buffoons.

Love the poll - voted Vallence even though I love Fev...it's clearly Soapy for mine at this stage.

Disappointed you couldn't include Ross Ditchburn or Warren Ralph in this lot!

Fevola is definitely better than Darren Ogier

And Stephen Oliver

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hmm.... what was the Coleman medal called before John Coleman?

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he suuuuuure is

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soapy

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

1. Soapy
2. Fev
3. Warren McKenzie
4. Warren Ralph
5. Ross Ditchburn

I would of had Peter Brown & Rod Galt in my Top 5!

Don't forget "Turkey" Tom Carroll.

He was Carlton's (and the VFL's) leading goalkicker in 1961 with 54 goals.

I don't think we have had too many Coleman Meadalists

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fev is the best full forward i have seen live in the navy blue...so for me its definitely fev.

Peter McKenna

I actually felt dirty posting that.

M

Jezza was the best footballer to have played for Carlton but B. Fevola will be the best Full Forward. My father watched Harry Vallance and raved about his ability to kick torps but reckons Fev has him covered as the complete player.

Fev has the stigma of being a clown off the field but if you look through that to Fev the Full Forward he is a fine player...Franklin is a super athlete and physically intimidating but Fev is the better footballer in terms of nous and playing the position.

Ralph..great kicking style

Ditchburn...probably the best converter from inside 50...

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Ask me again in 5 years.
Until then, has to be Soapy.
Jezza was wonderful but wasn't a full forward. He was the perfect utility player who played a year at FF and kicked a lazy 115. In today's game he would be a midfielder in the mould of Harvey with better overhead skills. Much better.
Rumour has it he was as lazy as.
Until he was coach, when he was a tyrant.

Soapy's record speaks for itself but Fev's will surpass it if he stays and continues the way he is.

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The 'League Leading Goalkicker' award is the best we could find:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... Goalkicker

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