Pagan is at the G celebrating Archers 300th

He should be at Casey Fields watching the Bullants

Sack him

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dance with his sister

If not sacked now in the next 9 weeks these things can happen:

- our brand is hurt even more

- perspective players are further put off looking at joining the club

- our kids with upside will look more closely at leaving

- the development of our kids with be further dented

How many future generation of blues supporters / members

ie. 7 , 8 , 9, 10 year olds need to be taunted at school over the next few weeks because we deliver insipid performances, however, living in the knowledge that we may still get a priority pick...

No point waiting.

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Neil 'The Cancer' Daniher?? No thanks. We need a fresh coach with fresh ideas.

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I don't think we can do anymore damage to our brand. This has been taken care over the last 5 years. To have over 35,000 members this year is simply amazing and I think they will all be there next season especially if Voss takes over with a vision for the club.
Even Neale Daniher would be just fine with me. The man has passion for what he does and is the sort of bloke that our players would bleed for.

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Seems like a solid case to me, but I would like to see supporting data that indicates how waiting affects all of these things.... Good project for an honours student that one...

If I had to guess, I would say that the data would probably support your thinking. I just don't know about the caretaker situation... If we go with Ratts, how does that affect the potential chemistry with him and Vossy? Is he ready? What does he have to do better tactically to satisfy us? Are we asking him to disrespect Denis by sacking all tactics?

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so what does Pagan have to do to get sacked? - Well I would have think that he has already done enough.

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synners ... pagan has been doing my head in for at least 2 years now but i can rationalise things knowing he is just too incompetent to last beyond this year. with the pratt / swann / icke triumvirate in place, pagan is finally sackable (and hopefully GORN in their minds ...)

what worries me is sticks ... will he allow icke (or swann) to make hard decisions re our so-called senior players?

do you know of any initiative designed to diminish his influence on the footy dept?

i may be out of touch here, but i just can't understand how a chairman of selectors can ALSO be a board member responsible for footy dept operations. how does he make an objective assessment of a dept which includes himself? this, to me, is just a reflection of the tin-pot operation we've become as a club and why we accept mediocrity

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Yes point waiting.... changes coaches now we might actually win a few games and loose the PP.

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Bingo.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Cut Dick's grass


I was thinking the same thing

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Swann said they havnt talked to anyone.... yet. He and Mitchell would both likely be gone at the end of the year. A thrashing by the dees and it would have to be the end, you'd think?

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Does anyone know how these things work in regards to paying out the contract?

Surely Pagan wouldn't ask for the $650,000 or whatever he is on for the remaining year??

Surely he could see that Carlton's performances have been the worst in history and his payout would be vastly reduced?

A contract is a contract.
So he will have to be paid out... unless they settle,.
Im sure Dick is smart enough to try and work something out first.

I think Icke and Swann will take more control soon.
Its hard so far they have just walked into the club... and they would be shocked with how much power Sticks would have.
Whats more shocking is his judgement!!

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Depends what the contract says. If the 2008 salary is dependent on wins or ladder position in 2007, then the payout would be less.

But that's most unlikely. No doubt the salary for 2008 is a set amount. And the payout can't be reduced in any way on some rubbery notion that he hasn't lived up to expectations.

Look at the CEOs who are sacked when their companies are returning losses and share prices are falling. They still get a big payout.

While I agree that Sticks could be used elsewhere than in a match committee or even a board role, I get the feeling that most people at the club have enough on their plate already. In good time...

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Synbad...............i love ya buddy, i really do! Your one of my fav's on TC. But please..............and this goes for everybody else too...................

DON'T TEASE ME ON THIS ISSUE UNLESS YOUR SERIOUS!

I hate this prick more than anything in the world and last year, after the Sydney game when all i heard from people is that 'PAGAN IS GAWN' i made the mistake of getting some really expensive MOET and drinking it all from the bottle whilst sitting naked on my couch with the biggest errection............................only to be heartbrokenm confused, angry and sad just 3 days later!

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Well, Pagan always said he had a soft spot for Carlton, he idolised big John Nicholls etc - maybe John could be there at the meeting to get him to reduce his demands on the club. If Pagan really loves the club like he says he does then this is his chance to prove it and not ask for the $600,000 for the remaining year.

Neale Daniher left with dignity intact, surely Pagan can do the same?

What does Pagan have to do?

It's already been done. This will be handled over the next 9 weeks. Whether he goes early or at the end of the year will be whatever Swann thinks is best for the club. I doubt it will be messy, Pagan will be paid out and taken care of. The excitement of a new coach is best left for the pre-season in a marketing sense.
If they want Voss, they can't afford to put Ratten as an interim in case he does a Roos. If they want to give Ratten a shot, it'll happen soon. I am confident there are plans in place. These guys are pros.

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Could be a nil all draw this week.

Riley is going to play the kids and we have a heap of injuries.

We need to make sure you get the 5 wins, we've got two chances and we didn't even need to try last year.

Will be even more interesting if Pagan is sacked - two new coaches going at it.

Melbourne's move may have prompted action at Carlton because we would be looking hard at Voss and Ratten.