steve wrote:
camelboy wrote:
2ndeffort wrote:
Not sure that Stephen Icke or Greg Swan ever went through any kind of exhaustive selection process but I am sure that Teflon Terry did down at the tigers. On the whole of it I am pretty happy with Swan and Icke as gets and I'm glad we havent got Teflon Terry.
Isnt Big Dick on the record as saying something about not wanting the best available because normally the best guy for the job isnt available??
If Big Dick and Swanny can somehow orchestrate the same kind of magic that they've woven off the field this season and sort out the on-field problems in their quiet, effective manner then I'll be happy as punch, regardless of the 'Process' used.
As long as the appointment isnt made out of desperate nepotism or cronieism then I'll be happy. I'm sure Dick hasnt built up Visy on the back of hiring idiots to top jobs, if he can find us a top bloke and close the deal I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
From my experience in business, the much lauded approach often talked up here is not common. Often top people are approached behind the scenes. There may be a show of some interviews and some testing etc, but often big appointments are targetted and pursued. Inviting a cast of many to apply and then filtering out the unwanted is a much lower percentage option than cherry picking the actual bloke you want with all the right characteristics. The pool of capable coaches is probably very small, but I dont see what some psych tests and a couple of power point presentations to the board would do. If they are serious they will already have 1 or 2 targets identified and Dick or his delegate will be sounding them out quietly already. Any semblance of 'process' will be for the punters.
I reckon that is a ripper post.
I can see the value of "the process" but I can also see the value in what you're saying. The club simply will not go and hire someone without there being some sort of discussion taking place first, ie. despite claims to the contrary there will be no knee jerk appointment to the senior coaches position. Given Denis still has over 12 months to go on his contract this kinda goes without saying doesn't it?
Yeah, I can see there could be merit in seeking indepedent outside opinions from some selection panel or other, but equally, the point about trusting Pratt and his staff is a good one.
For the process-followres the KPIs indicate that Pratt and his board are going gangbusters in rebuilding our club, I get the feeling they won't stuff up the appointment of the next coach. Whenever that may be.
Icke and Swann are a little different, they were both poached from the same position - they had runs on the baord already. If Swann poached Worsfold without a process then that's a fair comparison (although this is what Eliott did with Pagan). Hiring Voss, Ratten, etc isn't a fair comparison as they are not being poached from the same role that they are currently in.
Spot on. When "big appointments are targeted and pursused", the candidates are those who have already proven themselves in those roles.
When the candidates are those stepping up into that role for the first time, any major organisation would go through a thorough process to make sure that s/he was up to it.
What Steve says is right...if it was someone like Worsfold (who would be my absolute number 1 choice, if we could have anyone we wanted) Matthews, then you don't need to go through that process. They are proven performers, you know what you are getting. Sit down, chat, discuss their philosophy and where the Club is, and where it needs to go, and if you gell, appoint them.
But if it is untrieds like Voss, Buckley, McKenna (who I like the sound of more and more), Ratten etc, then because they have no runs on the board in that role, you must go through a process that allows you to determine how they would be in that role, and how they would compare to others.