Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:38 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:18 pm 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:09 pm
Posts: 549
Location: Princes Park
Good, if we put pressure on their midfield and force them to overusing the ball and playing wide...an eventual turnover will find the ball in Fev's throat...

Fev has to kick 6+ with even contributions from Longumuir (2-3), Betts (2), Waite (3), Lance (4) and hopefully a few goals from our midfielders...

As we proved in the wizard cup series...we are a better team when we put intense pressure on the opposition...
Personally Freo are "soft" but they can be good when given a bit of confidence...I know Subiacco is a different ball game but one thing I like about the Blues this year is there ability to make themselves competitive when things are not really going there way...Last week I thought after the first 10 minutes of the 1st quarter that we will have our asses kicked...instead if 3 out of our 6 posters sailed in for 6 points the game would have definitely swung in our favour...

Tackling-clearances-contest is our weapon...Oh yes...Houla should be given more responsibility...he proved last week he is ready to take the next step..


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:48 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am
Posts: 48522
Location: Canberra
I reckon we're better than even money, but make no mistake, this will be a tough gig. Freo will be a different team at home after a week in the spotlight.

Games like this where we need the Fraser Brown, Peter Dean, Greg Williams, Adrian Hickmott mongrel types. Let those Freo show ponies know there's a game of footy to be won.

_________________
Click here to follow TalkingCarlton on twitter
TalkingCarlton Posting Rules


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:57 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm
Posts: 1763
AT least there will be room for our forwards to move and our midfielders to burn.

Subi is one big ground, and suited to our style of play. :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:08 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm
Posts: 2220
If Thornton is as fit as Pagan expects - which I have no doubt he should be - Then that 4 goal win to Freo - based on us having no Thornton and no Livingston needs a revision our way.

How many Freo goals would a fit Thornton have a hand in stopping?

At least 4?

Get ready for a close match...

_________________
My Blue Heaven


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:15 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:08 pm
Posts: 2585
Location: Hoppers Crossing
blueman wrote:
How many Freo goals would a fit Thornton have a hand in stopping?

At least 4?


It's not just that, it's the fact we can play Kouta and Lance where they should be, instead of dragging them back. It's a domino effect and it's an exciting thought. I hope he's fit and plays and plays well


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:26 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm
Posts: 2220
Perfactly correct, a multiplier affect at work. I just want a win when few or no one rates us.

_________________
My Blue Heaven


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:26 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm
Posts: 2220
Perfactly correct, a multiplier affect at work. I just want a win when few or no one rates us.

_________________
My Blue Heaven


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:57 am 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:06 pm
Posts: 3366
blueman wrote:
Perfactly correct, a multiplier affect at work. I just want a win when few or no one rates us.


This multiplying effect seems to work with double posts as well - good signs indeed!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:02 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:29 am
Posts: 6418
Location: Casa Da Carlton - The Place to Be
:lol: :lol: :lol:

but yes - our defence certainly looks alot stronger with him in the team

the thing is with this game, and the ground itself, if our midfield can get on top i reckon our forward line with Whitnall, Fevola and now Longmuir as presenting forwards we will kick a bag.

quietly confident.

_________________
Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:12 am 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:06 pm
Posts: 3366
Intertesting to note that Fremantle haven't kicked over 100 points in the past 8 games [figures from Hun or Age and not guaranteed correct due to subtle effects of raging hangover]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:18 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:29 am
Posts: 6418
Location: Casa Da Carlton - The Place to Be
yep and our continued improvment sees us kicking 100+ points regularly now

im pretty positive about this game

_________________
Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:59 am 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:29 pm
Posts: 3844
Location: Canberra Town!
i'm just praying for a win tomorrow.

ohh and no injuries


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:13 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:08 pm
Posts: 2585
Location: Hoppers Crossing
A fine day is expected (today) with some showers forecast to develop tonight (Friday). A front should move through Perth on Saturday bringing further showers. Fine though cool weather should return for Sunday.

TOMORROW'S TEMPERATURES: Minimum: 15 Maximum: 23


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:41 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:29 pm
Posts: 3844
Location: Canberra Town!
well atleast it wont be too hot for the guys


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:25 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:08 pm
Posts: 14135
Location: Melbourne
Damn good if the stats so far in 2005 are anything to go by.......

Carlton
rd 1 12.13
rd 2 16.10
rd 3 16.12
rd 4 16.13 (Interstate)

Ave 15.12 per game

Total of 412 for and 448 against
Averaging 102 points for a game and 112 points against

Freo
rd 1 13.10 (Home)
rd 2 8.10
rd 3 12.8 (Home)
rd 4 7.10

Ave 10.10 per game

Total of 278 for and 300 against
Averaging 70 points a game for and 75 points against.

With T-bird back and Karl running into some decent form I really think the backline will toughen up substancially.

Lance can again play forward and......there you go.......a comfortable 30 point win, going away :lol:

Regards Cazzesman

_________________
Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:46 pm 
Offline
John James
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:19 pm
Posts: 657
Location: KG
According to Centrebet, our chances at Subi are 2.2 to 1 ($3.20).

I'll take those odds thank you!

Got a nice surprise when I checked my account, I got paid half the dividend (=$1.75) for my wager on the Blues against Port. I just assumed it would be money back only for the draw.

GO BLUES!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:28 pm 
Offline
Rod McGregor

Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 175
There are 2 possible results, depending on the Bookie.

Some Bookies maintain that they offer odds on a draw in AFL games, so that there are 3 events. Those Bookies only pay out if the punter took the odds on the draw. Those that bet on a win for either side lose. Soccer and Test Cricket bets are almost always of this type.

Most Bookies take the view that a draw in AFL results in the punter being paid half of the face value of the ticket. If you take the odds of a win of 1.50 and bet $100, the face value of the (winning) ticket is $150. Half the face value of the ticket is therefore $75. In other words, you lose $25. You will end up in front if you bet on a side at over evens, behind if you bet on a side under evens, and break even if you take an even bet.

Getting your money back only really happens if the event is cancelled. One sport in which this happens a bit is Tennis. Bookies were being burnt by insiders who knew when good players were unlikely to win a match because of injury. As long as that player played at least one point, a retirement would result in a winning bet on the opponent. Most if not all Bookies changed their rules so that only completed matches count, and a retirement results in bets being cancelled and bets returned.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Freo
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:16 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm
Posts: 5935
I think we can roll this mob comfortably simply coz we are a better side.And to a fair degree a better side.Reckon if you are relying on Sandilands,Medhurst and Farmer to get you over the line you are in trouble.Ruckmen playing out of the goalsquare are notoriously unreliable.Sure,they will kick a big bag every so often,but not week in and week out.Medhurst and Farmer are dynamite on there day,but those days seem to be few and far between.What im getting at is the Dockers are a very fluky side,with a lot of brittle characters who cant be relied on.


The task is pretty simple really.The two dangermen in Medhurst and Farmer have got to be tagged heavily.Then there is the mercurial Pavlich who is capable of anything on his day.I reckon Pavlich is that dangerous that i would have two on him if that is what it takes.And then that leaves Hazleby,who to my mind is almost in the Diesel class.An absolute champion who wracks up stats with nonchalant ease.And he makes everyone count.An absolute lethal player.Talk about who you would like to see in our jumper.Love Hazleby..........Its simple folks,contain these four,and the rest will collapse like a deck of cards.

_________________
All my dangerous friends


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:25 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 17567
I wrote this piece following our previous game at Subi against the dockers.
The midfield smashed us. Stevens and Kouta were missing and Bell and Haselby were burning.
The statistics may give us a guide to whats required.

"Should we be happy with Saturdays result?
Where did we lose the game and were we tactically sound?

Statistics dont always paint the picture but they do for our round 1 result.

Did the forwards do their job?
Contrary to the view of some, the forward line won on the day.
The Pagan game plan requires a forward line to better a 50% inside 50/scoring shot ratio.
In other words, the forwards must win 50%+ of the forward thrusts and score from them.
20+ shots at goal from 33 inside 50s indicate an efficient forward structure.

Did the backline do their job?
No doubt the tall defenders were effective.
Waterhouse, Longmuir and Simmonds were largely inneffective with a combined 26 possessions and zero goals..
Fremantle had 32 scoring shots from 52 entries.
Not a result considering the input from the Freo on ballers.

Where did it go wrong?
The inability to shut down Haselby and Bell was the reason we couldnt win.
Pagan went into the game with a tactic based on segregating our prime movers from Freo's.
Clarke was to negate Bell, Bannister was to negate Pavlich and Johnson was assigned Haselby. Sporn was also assigned Headland.
Pagan was happy with the peripheral match ups of Camporeale/Carr, Scotland/McManus and Lappin/Walker.

Haselby/Bell v Carlton statistically.
In the first quarter Haselby and Bell had a combined 20 possessions to Clarke and Johnsons 8.
Darren Hulme was assigned Bell and fared no better.
In the second term Bell and Haselby had 16 possessions.
To show the damage inflicted by these 2 players, in the second quarter Freo had 10 scoring shots.
Haselby and Bell either kicked those scores or gave the ball to the scorers 8 out of the 10 times!
In other words they scored or directly assisted 80% of Freos second quarter score!

Was the tactic sound?

With Kouta and Stevens unavailable I believe the tactic was worthwhile. It didnt prove successful due the the inability of Carlton to shut down 2 players. Bannister was very good and Scotland, Campo and Lappin were creative.
The fact remains Carlton were unable to get the ball inside 50. We won the clearances but lost the centre bounce clearances.
Our game plan requires an average of 50 inside 50s to give us a good chance at victory. we had 33.
Freo had 67 more possessions on the day. 55 of those were in the midfield.
As we know Bell and Haselby had over 70 possession between them.

outcomes of the match.
As I stated earlier, statistically our forward line was efficient.
Our backmen toiled hard and our tall backs were very good which is a huge bonus for Denis.
Our inability to apply defensive pressure to the opposition midfielders is where the game was lost.
Those who believe we kick long too often in the midfield will be interested to know Fremantle actually kicked 57% of their midfield possessions long compared to Carltons 51%.

I suspect Denis will be not unhappy after looking at the numbers.
To compete against Freo, the 5 most important players to our set up would include Kouta, Stevens and Angwin.
To be missing those players plus Waite, put us at a great disadvantage.
If we can tread water until they return, we will improve markedly.
I suspect Denis hoped for a win but budgeted for damage minimalisation on Saturday.
For a good percentage of our players to beat or break even with their opponents will give him great heart."


As you can see, Carlton managed a poor 33 inside 50s.
Our midfield is up and running and Kouta and Stevo are huge inclusions.
Johnson had a poor game and his spot in the side concerns me at Subiaco.
Carlton can win this game. The form of Barney is a huge bonus.
We just need to take our opportunities and convert well.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Last edited by Blue Vain on Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:58 pm, edited 3 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:29 pm 
Offline
John Nicholls

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:10 pm
Posts: 9404
Location: Back 50 of the Tiger Den
Quote:
To compete against Freo, the 5 most important players to our set up would include Kouta, Stevens and Angwin.


How times have changed ey?

_________________
Writer for SuperCoach Paige www.scpaige.com.au
Twitter - @johnfeeney24


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Heavs, jezzarules and 305 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group