R4: Positives -- Fantastic effort!

camel · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:27 pm

windy wrote:

The biggest positive was the grunt/application/desire/vigour and self belief they showed for the last three quarters of the game. They wanted to be first to the ball, they manned up, and gang tackled, and protected their team-mates.

The rest fell into place.

Port came out pumped at the start, and with Kouta down back we got a bit lost. How many of you thought after the first 15 mins it was going to be a long night... and that we were going to get thumped?

Yeah, very good point, I think I was a little worried ... from the LIVE game thread.

camelboy wrote:

Bloody hell.

We're in for a long night I think.

Walker and Houla our best performers in that quarter I reckon. Denis has to try someone else on Tredrea to let Kouta get into the middle. Waite maybe? Anyone, Kouta is no good being ineffective in defence, get him in the middle to at least have some input into the contest.

Glad we lifted and were able to shut Port down for the most part. Stewie Dew was the bloke that really hurt us.

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 5923

Who has put a knocker on TLo showie.Few questioned his selection,but cant recall anyone doubting his ability.Was always incredibly strong overhead going right back to his Dees days.Gunna take the heat off Red and Fev.If the opposition focus on Fev and Red and leave TLo alone,hes gunna kick serious arse.

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:42 pm

Mickstar wrote:

Who has put a knocker on TLo showie.Few questioned his selection,but cant recall anyone doubting his ability.Was always incredibly strong overhead going right back to his Dees days.Gunna take the heat off Red and Fev.If the opposition focus on Fev and Red and leave TLo alone,hes gunna kick serious arse.

There were a couple of posts calling for him to be delisted :shock:

Lazyness forbids me going through the archives to find 'em.

Mav · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:56 am **Posts:** 175

windy wrote:

The only negative for me was that Eddie didn't get much game time, because T.Lo had such an outstanding debut!

grrofunger wrote:

T Lo is a bit of a disaster for Eddie

I don't think that TLo and Eddie are in direct competition (tho on any day the mix in the forward line may favour a marking mid-sized forward like TLo over a crumbing goalsneak like Eddie at various times).

Eddie's competition is really Davies, and perhaps Skinny. Both have the skills to crumb front-and-square, but Davies' kicking and speed don't match Eddie's, while Skinny is a better option but usually will be needed elsewhere. Both Skinny and Davies have the advantage of being able to function as mid-size marking forwards. This versatility is rendered somewhat less important when we have a specialist like TLo who can fulfil that role. His goalkicking is much more reliable than both Skinny and Davies, and the limited opportunities that come to small or mid-sized forwards just can't be squandered. Imagine when Fish comes back. He plays the floating/marking forward to perfection with the added benefit of being 192 cm. Davies may not be looking forward to competing with both Fish and TLo (any more than TLo enjoyed competing against Medhurst and Farmer - 3 marking half-forwards is perhaps one too many).

Eddie does have the added ability to operate within a midfield rotation as a fast rover. His youth means he will be far too inconsistent to cement a position in the side this year. But in coming years, this versatility together with his tackling and defensive abilities may be very important.

So, TLo won't be a direct competitor for Eddie's role, although he will be a competitor more generally for inclusion in the side. Davies, on the other hand, should see a more direct threat and rise to the challenge.

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:08 pm

The competition for those two forward pocket spots are...

T.Lo vs Fish
Eddie vs Davo

Didn't get to see the game last night, but by all reports Davies may find himself in the VFL next week.

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

What we can't have is all three of Davies, Longmuir and Betts in the one team. Then you think that Fisher might come back in around mid-season, Lappin playing forward at times and clearly we can't play them all in the one team.

It's probably a bit early though to say what our best combination is. Longmuir has played one game for us and Betts has played 4. Davies seems capable of the odd cameo performance but that's really about it at this stage. Betts only played 35 minutes last night out of a possible 130 odd, and at this stage is used sparingly at best, depending on the game situation/opposition etc. Longmuir has played one match and showed a bit but it's still very early.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:29 pm

Davies was a bit in and out but still put in the hard yards and quite a few 1%ers

gonna be tough to pick the side this week.

I dont think Thornton will play

Does Campo come straight back ? who for ?

Prenda he was only one week , who does he squeeze out ?

Everyone put in last night and the usual suspects we call to be chopped really stood up. Wiggins, Johnson, Sporn, Bowyer should all be safe

Davies and Betts would have been our least 2 achievers but we need crumbers at Subiaco

Awesome to see 4 goals from 2 debutants both who will be very handy at subi.

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:49 pm

As I said, I didn't see the match, but could it possibly be Davies OUT...Campo IN?

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

Could very well be, PJ.

I think that Davies, Betts and even Cory McGrath are the three that are in the gun. Betts only played 35 mins last night and Cory McGrath barely got a kick and is perhaps a bit out of form.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:23 pm

Floating forward he may be but we need a CHF.
We have a CHB , Mark... T Bird :wink:

. ....He is in this week with Camporeale.
Outs will be Betts and someone else. .... Simmo may also be in line for a call up.

AGRO · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:27 pm

Synbad wrote:

Floating forward he may be but we need a CHF.
We have a CHB , Mark... T Bird :wink:

. ....He is in this week with Camporeale.
Outs will be Betts and someone else. .... Simmo may also be in line for a call up.

I would like Betts be given one more chance, especially on the wide open spaces of Subiaco. :wink:

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:30 pm

Highly unlikely AGRO. Betts will probably return to the VFL for a full game this week. The worst possible thing for Betts is to sit on the bench for a couple of weeks.
He needs the miles in the legs and the touches or he will go backwards. :wink:

Anyway we will see between now and then.....

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:32 pm

So T-Bird is coming in this week?

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:33 pm

Mav wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

If I hear one negative on this thread....

Well, I suppose I'm going to find out what you have in mind

My negatives are:
* I picked the Blueboys in the office tipping, but only get the same as anyone else who took the easy option. I reckon draws should be paid to the ones who pick the outsider :evil:

* I had $100 on Carlton to win by 1-39 in a double with the Cats by more than 17 points at odds of 8.15

I'm pretty pleased if someone's personal loss is the only negative's in thsi thread

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The more I see of Davies, inconsistent goal kicking aside, the more I like. He could be a real tough nut for us if he continues developing and holding his place in the side.

He's a goer thats for sure. He has a bit of fire in him, not scared to take on the big guys, got in a scuffle with Lade at one stage in the last quarter.

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:34 pm

Great game of footy...every possession was crucial. Many positives, but for mine the highlights were the debuts of TLo & Chambers. Loved TLo's overhead mark...need more sticky fingers like that in the packs. Chambers seems like a real thinking footballer & shows great leadership out there. Thought he really lifted us in the second half.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:40 pm

T Bird should be in this week.Will be unless something happens.
T Lo will only get better each week.
There are a few players at Freo who believe the coach gave him a rough ride. Peter Bell gave Denis the thumbs up re T Lo and said he was "one of the most talented players on the list- wasnt given opportunities and had a couple of injuries that held him back" over there.... well the operation has been a success to his groin so thats a start.. and Denis will give him every chance.
PS .. He also has a very talented brother out of contract at the end of the season. Theyre very close.

The concern with Chambers is he needs to find the ball more. He isnt a natural' ball sniffer'

phoenix johnson · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:42 pm

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay-Lo, here we go!

:lol:

BlueMark · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:44 pm

Not convinced T Bird is the answer at CHB, probably perfer him at FB, definately not convinced Livo is the answer at FB. We do need a KPB either at FB or CHB. Would perfer Livo to play in the pocket and Karl off the flank with T Bird either at FB or CHB and another tall in the other KP

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:47 pm

Synbad wrote:

The concern with Chambers is he needs to find the ball more. He isnt a natural 'ball sniffer'

Indeed - never thought I'd see the day when Synbad hints we need to bring back 'the pup'

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:58 pm

BlueMark wrote:

Not convinced T Bird is the answer at CHB, probably perfer him at FB, definately not convinced Livo is the answer at FB. We do need a KPB either at FB or CHB. Would perfer Livo to play in the pocket and Karl off the flank with T Bird either at FB or CHB and another tall in the other KP

BM , i know youre not convinced that T Birs is a CHB, however the match committee is because he can create and rebound.
You only need a negater at FB.. someone who doesnt need to pick up kicks...but CHB you need someone who can help launch counter attacks and rebound with creativity. On this count T Bird is a CHB.
If Livo can make FB his own were coping. Then the test is on the midfield to control a game and get the inside 50 opportunities for the forwards. Were doing this at the moment and scoring because the opposition is conceantrating on the man ..Fev which leaves others open.
If we had a guy that could control the air at CHF wed be dangerous with all the other armoury we have. (Lappin,Fisher. Betts,Houla, DeLuca,Davies, T Lo etc.. and Whitnall if he survives)...

Why would we waste T Bird at FB and just have him be a scragger when we all know he is MUCH more...

CK.. yeah i love pup... i wonder what he is doing these days...

R4: Positives -- Fantastic effort!

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