So we sakced Ratten...

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7325

bluechucky wrote:

My kids just don't care about footy at all.

Sometimes I wish I was like that...

Love the bloke in charge atm... but doubt he can take us any further

Hate the bloke destined to replace him... could be DP all over again or we might have a couple of flags by the time he's done

...@#$%&! I hate this game at times

camel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:17 pm

JohnM wrote:

Warby wrote:

JohnM wrote:

Yeah, I know the feeling. My kids don't have a lot of passion for Carlton now :cry:

There's a lot of competition for kid's attention now, and a club has to work pretty hard to earn it. A parent can only do so much...

A lot of the kids who used to wear #25 deserted the Club; as kids do.....Eddie is a new hero to many.

Actually, the thing that did it for my daughters was Brad Fisher.

During the dark years, he was a bit of a shining light, and one of them had Brad's number and the other SOV's (a certain Mr and Mrs on this site even arranged for Brad to come into the children's hospital when my daughter was in there for an extended stay). When the club wouldn't play Fish for his 100th, they asked me why, and to be honest I couldn't explain it.

I sold them on the club and what it means, and names on lockers and all that stuff, and when the club couldn't get him off 99 games before delisting him, a light went out for them to be honest. They stopped liking the club.

Can't blame them either. I still think it was a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing that damages the culture.

Normally I would argue gifting games to players is the wrong thing to do, and I suspect you would too.

But in this case I make an exception and agree that leaving Fish on 99 games was the wrong decision.

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7325

I'm still filthy about that

Not as if we were lighting up the football world at the time :banghead:

my two cents · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:28 pm **Posts:** 572

JohnM wrote:

Warby wrote:

JohnM wrote:

Yeah, I know the feeling. My kids don't have a lot of passion for Carlton now :cry:

There's a lot of competition for kid's attention now, and a club has to work pretty hard to earn it. A parent can only do so much...

A lot of the kids who used to wear #25 deserted the Club; as kids do.....Eddie is a new hero to many.

Actually, the thing that did it for my daughters was Brad Fisher.

During the dark years, he was a bit of a shining light, and one of them had Brad's number and the other SOV's (a certain Mr and Mrs on this site even arranged for Brad to come into the children's hospital when my daughter was in there for an extended stay). When the club wouldn't play Fish for his 100th, they asked me why, and to be honest I couldn't explain it.

I sold them on the club and what it means, and names on lockers and all that stuff, and when the club couldn't get him off 99 games before delisting him, a light went out for them to be honest. They stopped liking the club.

Can't blame them either. I still think it was a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing that damages the culture.

That was disgraceful !! I lost respect for Ratten as coach and bloke after that act.
You never do that to your playing family. NEVER !

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:46 pm

JohnM wrote:

Warby wrote:

JohnM wrote:

Yeah, I know the feeling. My kids don't have a lot of passion for Carlton now :cry:

There's a lot of competition for kid's attention now, and a club has to work pretty hard to earn it. A parent can only do so much...

A lot of the kids who used to wear #25 deserted the Club; as kids do.....Eddie is a new hero to many.

Actually, the thing that did it for my daughters was Brad Fisher.

During the dark years, he was a bit of a shining light, and one of them had Brad's number and the other SOV's (a certain Mr and Mrs on this site even arranged for Brad to come into the children's hospital when my daughter was in there for an extended stay). When the club wouldn't play Fish for his 100th, they asked me why, and to be honest I couldn't explain it.

I sold them on the club and what it means, and names on lockers and all that stuff, and when the club couldn't get him off 99 games before delisting him, a light went out for them to be honest. They stopped liking the club.

Can't blame them either. I still think it was a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing that damages the culture.

So keep a guy on the list because he's a good servant of the club and happens to be on 99 games.?

You can argue it's a tough decision even the wrong decision IF he was good enough to get a game, but don't make it about ruining culture.

Juddy&theKruezers · **Joined:** Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:12 pm **Posts:** 4426

and yet we managed to get Houla to 200 with no problem....Loved Fish....was my fav during the dark years....definitely deserved better....

verbs · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:58 pm

Fisher was lucky he survived getting the chop at the end of 2009. His final game that year was a shocker.

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26218&hilit=Fisher&start=100

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

and yet we managed to get Houla to 200 with no problem....Loved Fish....was my fav during the dark years....definitely deserved better....

Yep. Means a lot for little effort.

Stamos · **Joined:** Mon May 31, 2010 10:07 pm **Posts:** 1984

Wish Ratts was more like Pagan who got Micky Martyn to his 300th :roll:

JohnM · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:42 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

Actually, the thing that did it for my daughters was Brad Fisher.

During the dark years, he was a bit of a shining light, and one of them had Brad's number and the other SOV's (a certain Mr and Mrs on this site even arranged for Brad to come into the children's hospital when my daughter was in there for an extended stay). When the club wouldn't play Fish for his 100th, they asked me why, and to be honest I couldn't explain it.

I sold them on the club and what it means, and names on lockers and all that stuff, and when the club couldn't get him off 99 games before delisting him, a light went out for them to be honest. They stopped liking the club.

Can't blame them either. I still think it was a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing that damages the culture.

So keep a guy on the list because he's a good servant of the club and happens to be on 99 games.?

You can argue it's a tough decision even the wrong decision IF he was good enough to get a game, but don't make it about ruining culture.[/quote]

Bullshit. Clubs do this sort of thing regularly PRECISELY because they are protecting their culture. That's exactly what it's about.

my two cents · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:28 pm **Posts:** 572

Stamos wrote:

Wish Ratts was more like Pagan who got Micky Martyn to his 300th :roll:

+ 1

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:09 pm

JohnM wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

Actually, the thing that did it for my daughters was Brad Fisher.

During the dark years, he was a bit of a shining light, and one of them had Brad's number and the other SOV's (a certain Mr and Mrs on this site even arranged for Brad to come into the children's hospital when my daughter was in there for an extended stay). When the club wouldn't play Fish for his 100th, they asked me why, and to be honest I couldn't explain it.

I sold them on the club and what it means, and names on lockers and all that stuff, and when the club couldn't get him off 99 games before delisting him, a light went out for them to be honest. They stopped liking the club.

Can't blame them either. I still think it was a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing that damages the culture.

So keep a guy on the list because he's a good servant of the club and happens to be on 99 games.?

You can argue it's a tough decision even the wrong decision IF he was good enough to get a game, but don't make it about ruining culture.

Bullshit. Clubs do this sort of thing regularly PRECISELY because they are protecting their culture. That's exactly what it's about.[/quote]

Clubs make tough decisions every day of the week. Was he good enough to get a game, no. Maybe he shouldn't have played 99 games, maybe he should have played 90 or 80 or 70.

The frightening thing is Ratt's is almost gone and you still need to blame him for Fischer not being good enough to play 100 games and that your kids don't barrack for Carlton.

And learn how to use the quote button so people don't mix up your bullsh1t with my well thought out and perfectly concise submissions. :razz:

Stamos · **Joined:** Mon May 31, 2010 10:07 pm **Posts:** 1984

my two cents wrote:

Stamos wrote:

Wish Ratts was more like Pagan who got Micky Martyn to his 300th :roll:

+ 1

I'm guessing you missed the " :roll:

"

So here it is again :roll:

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:14 pm

Stamos wrote:

my two cents wrote:

Stamos wrote:

Wish Ratts was more like Pagan who got Micky Martyn to his 300th :roll:

+ 1

I'm guessing you missed the " :roll:

"

So here it is again :roll:

Exactly Stamos.

Pagan, someone we should model ourselves on.

:lol:

aramari · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:24 pm

If you couldn't explain why Fisher didn't play his 100th, it's your fault your kid doesn't follow Carlton anymore.

We were heading to the finals and ended up making it on percentage. It's one thing to give games for sentimental reasons when you're out of the race. It's irresponsible to do so when you're fighting for position.

Incredible that people are still harping on this. Pathetic!

JohnM · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:27 pm

aramari wrote:

If you couldn't explain why Fisher didn't play his 100th, it's your fault your kid doesn't follow Carlton anymore.

We were heading to the finals and ended up making it on percentage. It's one thing to give games for sentimental reasons when you're out of the race. It's irresponsible to do so when you're fighting for position.

Incredible that people are still harping on this. Pathetic!

Explain how Houlihan got his 200th then.

aramari · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:34 pm

JohnM wrote:

aramari wrote:

If you couldn't explain why Fisher didn't play his 100th, it's your fault your kid doesn't follow Carlton anymore.

We were heading to the finals and ended up making it on percentage. It's one thing to give games for sentimental reasons when you're out of the race. It's irresponsible to do so when you're fighting for position.

Incredible that people are still harping on this. Pathetic!

Explain how Houlihan got his 200th then.

I can't remember clearly and I don't care, but my recollection is Houlihan deserved a place and did ok.

But mainly I don't care. I'm not on match committee, I don't have to justify inconsistent selections. So what? They may have been sentimental, they may have given more respect to a bloke who'd
played twice as many games at a considerably higher level than Fisher.

And don't get me wrong I was always a big Fisher fan.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:35 pm

JohnM wrote:

aramari wrote:

If you couldn't explain why Fisher didn't play his 100th, it's your fault your kid doesn't follow Carlton anymore.

We were heading to the finals and ended up making it on percentage. It's one thing to give games for sentimental reasons when you're out of the race. It's irresponsible to do so when you're fighting for position.

Incredible that people are still harping on this. Pathetic!

Explain how Houlihan got his 200th then.

So Hoops gets the milestone game and you are going to use it as evidence of killing culture.

:lol:

Make up your mind!!!!

BTW he played 201. :lol:

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

From memory Houlihan's last 3 or 4 were either subbed in or off and very little game time in any of them.

Reckon Fish and his limited tank would have been a beneficiary of the sub rule being brought in a year earlier.

mjs · **Posted:** Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:48 pm

I can't remember the details at the time, but I do remember feeling that Fish should have been given his 100 games. Jeez, he stuck around for so long, had knee problems, maybe he was a crap kick but he was a loyal servant etc. Thought it was culturally mean to deny him 100.

So we sakced Ratten...

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