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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:27 am 
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Err, Simon White?


Simon White is okay.....not good enough to take Bower/Jamos position.


I am not sure about that. White is a much better decision maker with the ball in hand. Bower is really struggling and needs a big pre season. IMO Jamison is overrated. He is easily one of the worst decision makers when looking to kick or handball. The amount of times he blazes away or puts a teammate under pressure is amazing.

Our biggest issue is that Jamo, Bower, White, Davies are all 2nd or 3rd tall defenders. Having a key defender like a Scarlett, Lake or Rutten would make a massive difference to our side and should be our priority. I have always thought Setanta's best bet was as a key forward but we have mucked him around so much he must be confused and to change him again may ruin him for good. Austin might be an option but needs to get fit but I also see him as a key forward prospect.

The key for us will be to develop what we have. Out of yesterday's side were potential flankers in Yarran, Lucas, O'Keefe, Anderson, AJ and Kerr. Can they improve?

Key forwards we have Austin, Kruezer and Casboult to add to Waite and Hendo.

Small forwards we have Garlett, Yarran, Betts and Robbo. The key for these guys is to develop further to be able to have more time on the ball. This will assist the midfield and make us more unpredictable.

Our midfield needs help! Not enough depth of class. Judd, Muphy and Simpson need assistance. Eddie needs to play more there, he is our best reader of play at the stoppage. Lucas I believe will be a gun. He is a very good decision maker and has a massive engine. Hopefully McLean will show why he was recruited? If Rischetelli was available I would get him. Hard and tough, young enough and a good user.

Whoever we recruit they must be able to use the ball well especially under pressure. Guys who can kick the ball well are a must!!!!

Nice post.
According to today's paper, Riscchetelli has had talks with us.
I agree that the priority should be a big defender. O'hAilpin played OK at CHB for a while but I'm with you that he might get more confused than before. There must be someone we can make a huge play for. But good key defenders come dearly and we would have to give plenty in return. Get ready for some unpopular decisions come trade week. Those among the TCers who watch local footy might do worse than keep the MC informed of the defender version of Podsiadly playing at Launceston or Kyneton or Upper Kumbukna West.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:43 am 
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Bower's lack of poise, awareness and vision is frightening.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:46 am 
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GET BOWER.............!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:48 am 
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Hendo's return of 3 goals and some strong grabs on Scarlett is without a doubt the best thing to come out of this game. Watch out for him next year.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:50 am 
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Just got back to Tassie after the game.
Firstly, we are lucky they didn't kick straight or e would have been down by heaps at half time.
The third qtr we had possession but had no scoreboard pressure. We missed sittrers but that just evened things up from the ones they missed. Let's not kid ourselves.
Ratts waited until late in the game to rest the rucks forward. He might have done that earlier. Geelong had a line of four across the halfback line for much of the night while our fdorwards pushed past them. They literally had no opposition and as a result there was nobody goalside to kick to. It was the Bomber Thompson plan to counter the small forwards and it worked a treat. To counter it, all we had to do was leave Henderson and Waite closer to goal or stand a ruck in the 10 yard square to keep the defenders honest at least. They had a plethora of running options from =half back and that's where they won the game. Run from half back, pass to leading forward, shoot for goal. How many marks did they have inside 50 on the lead?
Gibbs did some good things but I watched him a couple of times last night standing off the play instead of making an option. He is wasted where he is and if I were an opposition coach I'd be pretty happy Gibbs was getting 90% of his possessions where they don't hurt. His stats in the Sun (I'm trying to remember them. I read them at 0530 at the airport) showed 6 contested possies, 20 uncontested, 1 tackle (interesting for a backman in a losing team), 90% efficiency and 130 supercoach points. How that equates with the 6 clangers he is also accredited with remains a mystery to me, even though I have a pretty reasonable grasp of Maths. 6 clangers from 26 possies?

Our centre square setup after a goal is too predictable. Even when we were behind and losing the clearances, we still setup the same. At one stage Judd and Ablett were on the same side of the ruck, about 6 metres apart and I said to Blue Beatle, whomever gets the hitout will run straight to the F50. Well as it turned out, it was us and Judd had the clearance but mucked it up. But it could just as easily have been Ablett running unhindered. As did Chapman a few times. And Grigg is one sided. So when I said to Blue Beatle I thought Grigg was on the wrong side of the ruck because he would have to turn into the pack if we got the hit out, he obligingly did just that and got tackled. No clearance. Dumb stuff.

I thought our tackling was pathetic for most of the night and apart from half a dozen already mentioned above, we didn't give the same intensity we have shown is possible over the past couple of weeks. Yes, the level of opposition was much higher but that shouldn't prevent ferocity.

Thanks to Carazzo's sportsmanship, Ablett won't be spending the next six weeks with his jaw wired up. I just hopr they use that hitoput last night as a warmer upper for Collingwood, with Ablett able to take his place.

I think we will rebound next week but if I were coach, I'd rest half the team and put the best team on the paddock the following week. Players like Wiggo (if fit), O'hAilpin, Yarran and others left out recently would have a reasonable crack and let Freo know they wasted their "bye" this week. We can, should and will win next week.


Right on the money BS. After watching the replay your post filled in gaps not covered by watching the replay, especially the tackling. Regards to BlueBeatle.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:46 pm 
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A somewhat positive, albeit sobering performance. Sobering in that we are still way off the pace and any thought of a top 5 finish should be put to rest. A few points:
* we just don't have the depth, the strength, the smarts and the structure of the better 25% of teams in the comp. This is all common knowledge I know, but you could just see the abyss in class between us and the Cats all night.
* We're really lacking in physicality and strength and I think our strength and conditioning staff need to be called into question. Additionally, our recruiting departments penchant to target the 'David Mundy' types over the past half decade is coming back to really hurt us when we play against the stronger teams. we're trying to compensate for that now with band-aid fixes like Hadley/ McLean/ Ellard etc, but our midfield balance is still way out of kilter.
* I know I've been after him a lot lately, but Betts is will present our best chance to get more early picks- If we sell him in the right manner, pick 18-22 for him is not out of the question and we should jump at this. There are way too many shortcomings (manifest most starkly against the best teams in the comp) for us to hold onto him. He is good for sides who have the foundation for an assault on a premiership in place- not a side like us with too many missing pieces to the puzzle.

Geelong is the benchmark. We need to be as prudent as ever, with the best people leading us both on and off the field to get there. Last night showed that a hell of a lot of work still needs to be done.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:50 pm 
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Taff wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Just got back to Tassie after the game.
Firstly, we are lucky they didn't kick straight or e would have been down by heaps at half time.
The third qtr we had possession but had no scoreboard pressure. We missed sittrers but that just evened things up from the ones they missed. Let's not kid ourselves.
Ratts waited until late in the game to rest the rucks forward. He might have done that earlier. Geelong had a line of four across the halfback line for much of the night while our fdorwards pushed past them. They literally had no opposition and as a result there was nobody goalside to kick to. It was the Bomber Thompson plan to counter the small forwards and it worked a treat. To counter it, all we had to do was leave Henderson and Waite closer to goal or stand a ruck in the 10 yard square to keep the defenders honest at least. They had a plethora of running options from =half back and that's where they won the game. Run from half back, pass to leading forward, shoot for goal. How many marks did they have inside 50 on the lead?
Gibbs did some good things but I watched him a couple of times last night standing off the play instead of making an option. He is wasted where he is and if I were an opposition coach I'd be pretty happy Gibbs was getting 90% of his possessions where they don't hurt. His stats in the Sun (I'm trying to remember them. I read them at 0530 at the airport) showed 6 contested possies, 20 uncontested, 1 tackle (interesting for a backman in a losing team), 90% efficiency and 130 supercoach points. How that equates with the 6 clangers he is also accredited with remains a mystery to me, even though I have a pretty reasonable grasp of Maths. 6 clangers from 26 possies?

Our centre square setup after a goal is too predictable. Even when we were behind and losing the clearances, we still setup the same. At one stage Judd and Ablett were on the same side of the ruck, about 6 metres apart and I said to Blue Beatle, whomever gets the hitout will run straight to the F50. Well as it turned out, it was us and Judd had the clearance but mucked it up. But it could just as easily have been Ablett running unhindered. As did Chapman a few times. And Grigg is one sided. So when I said to Blue Beatle I thought Grigg was on the wrong side of the ruck because he would have to turn into the pack if we got the hit out, he obligingly did just that and got tackled. No clearance. Dumb stuff.

I thought our tackling was pathetic for most of the night and apart from half a dozen already mentioned above, we didn't give the same intensity we have shown is possible over the past couple of weeks. Yes, the level of opposition was much higher but that shouldn't prevent ferocity.

Thanks to Carazzo's sportsmanship, Ablett won't be spending the next six weeks with his jaw wired up. I just hopr they use that hitoput last night as a warmer upper for Collingwood, with Ablett able to take his place.

I think we will rebound next week but if I were coach, I'd rest half the team and put the best team on the paddock the following week. Players like Wiggo (if fit), O'hAilpin, Yarran and others left out recently would have a reasonable crack and let Freo know they wasted their "bye" this week. We can, should and will win next week.


Right on the money BS. After watching the replay your post filled in gaps not covered by watching the replay, especially the tackling. Regards to BlueBeatle.

G'day, Taff.
A game we were never going to win so I am not sure why I am disappointed! I always feel we are a chance and last night was no exception @ 12 points down well in.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:58 pm 
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I don't think Garlett was that bad - no goals, but 14 possessions and 4 marks means he at least tried to involve himself in the game. He has had poor games for us in which he barely touched it at all. Although not scoring, he still got into positions to score, but failed to make the distance/kicked out-on-the-full/dropped the mark etc. He had some opportunities, but didn't take them. I'm not worried about him.

Eddie Betts, though, is a bigger worry. He might be our leading goalkicker and might have given the most goal assists, but he has been down for a while. As has been mentioned on these boards, he has kicked quite a large percentage of his goals when games have already been over. Was barely sighted last night and needs to lift.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:28 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
According to today's paper, Riscchetelli has had talks with us.

correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't he the one who didn't want to come to Carlton last year as part of the Fev/Bradshaw deal?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:28 pm 
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Just another thing.

I didn't end up putting money on Carlton for the win because I lost a bit of faith when Ratten pumped up Geelong all week.

But I noticed a 'Sure-Fire' bet on sportsbet.com that i thought was the best value of the year. Couldn't POSSIBLY not win money on this bet. It was paying $5.

The bet was that Betts / Garlett and Waite all kick at least 1 goal..............



How did that not happen? WOW. You never would have though that.


anyway............... just a casual observation.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:29 pm 
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According to today's paper, Riscchetelli has had talks with us.

correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't he the one who didn't want to come to Carlton last year as part of the Fev/Bradshaw deal?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:29 pm 
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no match winning moves from our side....


Geez you're a !@#$%& bore.

What match winning moves would you have made if you were coach?

None of your crap and deflection. Lets see some answers.

You mentioned Bower moving up the field and Waite going back.

Tell us your top 5 moves you'd have made to win the match.



Army on GA in the goal square, Carrazo when he went into the middle
Grigg on Stokes and Bryce mid/fwd for more of the game

Our single biggest problem is still evident.....little gut runnimg to create space when we have the ball and little gut running to block space when we don't. One passage of play in the 3rd in our fwd pocket. 1 Carlton player against 5 Geel.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:32 pm 
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..Betts is fine.. ..late in the season, any small forward carrying the main load will go off the boil.. ..that's just the way it goes.. ..possibly play him thru the middle to help 'freshen him up' with a bit of time outside the fwd 50.. ..but he's also getting alot more attention now from defenders.. ..so taking him out, will increase pressure on the other smalls.. ..kicking high balls to our midget fwd's doesnt help their cause either..

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..good to see both waite and hendo taking grabs vs scarlett and taylor..

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:39 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
So I'll ask you the same question then (that doesn't let you off answering the question J&K)

What moves would you have made ryan?

Match winning moves....not shuffling deck chairs in the last quarter.



How will you know if a move is match winning or deck chair shuffling unless its made? Also, if you believe that we were just shuffling deck chairs for the last qtr, we may as well have all gone home at 3/4 time. Carlton and Ratten didn't disgrace themselves last night. They had a dip and earned quite a bit of respect. Having said that, your responses to anyone who challenges Ratts is also excruciatingly tiresome. "what moves would you make?" "who should coach Carlton then?" "explain the gameplan to us" etc etc etc

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Mostly positive view of the game.

Really disappointed with two faves of mine:

* Walker - he can not tackle. Missed tackles were part of what sent him to the Bullies so you'd think he'd be keen to redeem himself. That was a really poor defensive effort from him and he provided no run to compensate that.

* Bower - lazy, lacking intensity last night. Just a real lack of heart and effort. Where is he in the head space? We know he can be very good defending and rebounds well.

Both those guys should hang their heads after that game. With team mates around them busting a gut, they were passengers.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:32 pm 
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Disposal by foot is still not good enough. #44, #16, #1 major offenders. Killing all the really good work by just giving the ball away.


#5 was also one of the worst offenders by foot last last night. And he has been well below his usual standards most of the year.

Seeing the game live it really struck me (and mrs camel) how far we have to go in terms of gut running.

Early in the first quarter I thought we looked a bit flat and slow compared to Geelong. As the game wore on we got better but there were still too many times where our players were unwilling or unable to chase early to prevent a pass, or block space.

The last quarter was perhaps the most galling. We got the first goal and I felt if we could get the next we might have been a chance of making a real run at the Cats, but we just didn't run hard enough at times.

A couple of other interesting/useless observations.

After a couple of Robinson's goals hardly any of our boys went to congratulate him. Probably nothing in it, but I thought it stood out.

In contrast I was very pleased to see a few of the guys go in to Pods after the Gibbs incident. We've not been great at flying the flag in the past, so hopefully as the team develops they'll get better at letting opponents know what's on and what's not.

Overall, Geelong are much better drilled than our guys. In defence there's often 3 or 4 Cats on hand to help out and then the guys in midfield run to provide options. Their ball movement can be very seamless and effortless at times.

Similarly, in one passage of play they won the ball on the wing and the CHF area was totally open, it allowed the key forward to immediately lead into the open space and the ball carrier was quickly able to spot the target and fire in the pass to provide an easy uncontested mark. More often than not our movement into our F50 breaks down because we seem unable to protect open space. A very simple example to illustrate that our true team play has still got to improve; where those not directly involved in the play can still have an impact on what takes place by working together to provide space for their mates to use.

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Oh, Armfield and Mitch should get a game for just being hard at it and willing to have a bloody crack. Ellard not far behind these guys either.

Army will make mistakes, but usually they'll be made when he's trying to do something positive. I can deal with that, he will get better. :thumbsup:

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Oh, Armfield and Mitch should get a game for just being hard at it and willing to have a bloody crack. Ellard not far behind these guys either.

Army will make mistakes, but usually they'll be made when he's trying to do something positive. I can deal with that, he will get better. :thumbsup:


Agree......... :thumbsup:

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Oh, Armfield and Mitch should get a game for just being hard at it and willing to have a bloody crack. Ellard not far behind these guys either.

Army will make mistakes, but usually they'll be made when he's trying to do something positive. I can deal with that, he will get better. :thumbsup:


Agree......... :thumbsup:


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