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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:43 pm 
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yep. outstanding win. and i've now got a man crush on the big Setant :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:49 pm 
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If you could Frankenstein Carlos' 2nd efforts and sure-footedness with Fisher's marking, we'd have one heck of a beast on our hands.

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:53 pm 
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Waity opted to bump and made head high contact. Rules is rules and I suspect he's going for a rest.

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Unless you're David Hille and Josh Kennedy. :confused:


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:07 pm 
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As soon as I saw the Waite incident I knew he'd be rubbed out. Should maybe look at 2 or 3 games as a best case scenario I reckon. :sad:

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:56 pm 
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Juddy was steak knives in the ARMFIELD trade

There I said it

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:43 am 
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I know others have roasted Waite, but two things -- it was pure instinct and not malicious. Short of copping the contact in the sternum he had no other choice. The players were going full pelt. Secondly, it really seemed to spark the team and get them focused on the physical side thereafter. I agree with Jimmae that he will probably go, but let's not demonize him. Our team needs a bit of grunt, especially given that it is young and there aren't many naturally agressive players. Awesome win!

FWIW, I think Chris Johnson was very good today. Gave a lot of run and some of decision making and physicality (especially early) was very good.

As others have said, Army is a gem!

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:45 am 
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Juddy was steak knives in the ARMFIELD trade

There I said it


A week after Cazzesman made the same call. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:50 am 
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camelboy wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Juddy was steak knives in the ARMFIELD trade

There I said it


A week after Cazzesman made the same call. :thumbsup:


But Army can't kick or handball :razz: :grin:

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:09 am 
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This was definitely a special win because for the first 3 quarters we seemed to be having an off day but we just kept with them and burned them off in the last. There is so much to like about this Carlton team and it's the 1%ers that really make me excited - the smothers, the tackles, the hunting in packs - it really does gladden the heart. It's as if every lesson we were taught over the past 8 years by sides that were faster, harder, tougher and more committed than us have finally been learned and seeded into one package.

We are far from the finished product and I guess that it what is truly exciting - there is plenty of improvement in this team and when they start to really blossom they could be scary-good.

Great games today from Armfield, Kreuzer, Johnson, Carazzo and O'hAilpin.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:12 am 
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i just get a warm feeling in my balls every time we are described as a fast team

been so long since we have had pace

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 2:37 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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I actually can't see how Waite can possible go for that. Shoulder tucked in, compared to Kennedy on Sylvia, and if it wasn't for the over-acting by Port bloke (should be charged!) nothing in it. I'll be spewing if he went for that.
Surrey,unfortunately Waitey is absolutely gone. Will be lucky to get 2 weeks. I think Bateman got 3 for similar last week.

Elbow was tucked in as much as possible, it's how they gauge his intent based on the fact he jumped into the bump.



nothing to do with intent according to new rules.

Bcoz the dude had the ball Waite had the option to tackle, so a bump that causes a head injury faces suspension.

The reason Kennedy got off with Sylvia is bcoz he was shepperding Sylvia who didn't have the pill, so a tackle was not an option.

Maybe Waite could argue that he didn'e have time to get his arms into position to make a tackle so it wasnt an option......don't like his chances.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:54 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
i just get a warm feeling in my balls every time we are described as a fast team

been so long since we have had pace

They have ointments for that

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 7:55 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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Elbow was tucked in as much as possible, it's how they gauge his intent based on the fact he jumped into the bump.


http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_doc ... l_2008.pdf

Page 69. You chose to bump and you hit the head you are in strife. Has nothing to do with the elbow tucked in or not.

Regards Cazzesman

I'm looking at 68-69, and that refers to a player bent over to reach for the ball, and an understanding that contact to the head in such a state is considered front-on contact rather than side on.

There's no question he contacted the face, but they were both upright, Jarrad made no motion to strike because his arm was tucked and the only thing that turned it into head high contact was his leap.

He'll more than likely do time, but it's a question of how the intent is assessed.

What we know is that he knocked down an opponent (striking offence was the report) and the contact was high (high/groin). According to this, he's looking at 325 points initially if his actions are considered reckless (tallies to a level 4 offence), in so far as he foresaw the consequences of his jump, or negligent (tallies to a level 3 offence), suggesting that it is not reasonable to assume his jump had foreseeable concerns in regards to his opponents head.

Either way it's an additional 10% because he was suspended for 1 week in 2008, and then 25% off with an early plea. So:

Reckless: 268 points and a 2 week suspension with an early plea, or risking 358 and 3 weeks if he goes to the tribunal.
Negligent: 186 points and a 1 week suspension with an early plea, or 248 and 2 weeks if he goes to the tribunal.


You're complicating a simple issue Jim.
Did he have another option other than bump? Yes. (Unlike Kennedy, he could have tackled)
Did he choose to bump and collect the player in the head? Yes.

The rules say he is gone. It's just a matter of how many weeks.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:51 am 
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AK43 wrote:
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I actually can't see how Waite can possible go for that. Shoulder tucked in, compared to Kennedy on Sylvia, and if it wasn't for the over-acting by Port bloke (should be charged!) nothing in it. I'll be spewing if he went for that.


I wish you were right but he got him with his elbow, and definitely drew blood. Best hope is for 2 weeks. Disappointing that one of our senior players was dumb enough to be sucked in to that.


Mate it was going to be a good bump until that idiot Davenport ducked into it. Flowering joke if Waite goes.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:57 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_doc ... l_2008.pdf

Page 69. You chose to bump and you hit the head you are in strife. Has nothing to do with the elbow tucked in or not.


But if said player sees the bump coming and ducks into it? That's a grey area that may be tested out at the appeals tribunal.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:01 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Play of the day.

Was in the 1st qtr when things were very flat.

AJ has possession deep in defence. Thinks attackingly and positively to kick into space on the wing to the advantage of a running JR who knocks it on to Eddie who delivers to CJo who goes inboard to Simmo who slots the goal.

Great attacking transition of play initiated by a maturing Aaron Joseph (who played a great game) which was rewarded with a goal.


Hmmm, the kick from Joseph was risky and made good by the tap on from Russell. Still, you gotta hand it to AJ who is more than prepared to take a risk when others aren't.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:03 am 
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It was all pretty quick. 2 weeks.
I wouldn't go to the tribunal persnally. It's going to be hard to contest that one.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:58 am 
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How many goals did we conceed from 50 metre penalties - I counted up to 4 but may have missed a few

It seems to be a pattern that we need to get rid of quickly

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:58 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
How many goals did we conceed from 50 metre penalties - I counted up to 4 but may have missed a few

It seems to be a pattern that we need to get rid of quickly


It was 3 I think, the fourth one Thomas missed an absolute sitter.

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