Come on Camelboy, the AFL wanted us at the dome, our president wanted us at the dome, do you really believe we even asked Gough about an 11 game deal for the MCG?

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Funningly enough I remember an ex-Carlton man Steven Gough saying he put a proposal to Carlton only for our president at the time to suggest otherwise. Wonder why ... hmmm .... some are so gullible.

The MCG didn't want and never wanted CFC playing home games their and we where always going to get a better deal at TD. I think I'll just and read a novel now.

Life is good if you bury your head and not listen.

Ps. Now how did that vote turn out again.

Duke we still get scheduled crap game times etc etc - nothing has changed on that front.

Camel I highlighted your earlier 'fact' because it is disputable that the dome was the best solution for us.

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So who is more ex-Carlton, Gough or Collins?

We're just going over the same old stuff.

I think it's pretty universally accepted that the majority of Carlton fans wanted a deal that favoured more games at the G. What is not accepted is the reality of the day.

Much like our stubborn recruiting policies of the mid 90s being largely to blame for our current dearth of quality senior players, our failure to secure a good deal at the MCG has its foundations underneath the Legends Stand.

We thought "we're Carlton, flower the rest" and acted that way as well. We shafted ourselves. If we accpted the path modern football was heading in the early 90s we would have made the brave calls there and then. Instead our adminstration was too gutless to make the courageous decisions because it was too busy believng it's own spin.

The result is this current bickering mess.

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Don't confuse your own wishes for the "best solution".

It's pretty clear that Smorgon and Collins weren't on the best of terms, if better deal at the MCG was offered I reckon he would have taken it. And a deal being offered doesn't make it "better".

Sadly, I reckon the AFL have their grubby little mitts over this deal more than Collins or Smorgon could ever hope to.

I wanted more games at the G. But I maintain that our administration did the best they could with the constraints around them. That does not mean that I got what I wanted, or indeed that the club got what it wanted, but I've accepted that we don't live in fairy land and get everything we want just because we chuck a tantrum.

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Yes I do.

I'll accept that they may have been able to push harder, but I fail to believe the option was not even considered.

The orange bit of your quote is the key I reckon. The drawback of being in this national competition is sometimes you have to take what the AFL wants. Right now, with a stronger and more capable board we might have been able to do better. Who knows, it's all guesswork. Back then, I reckon the best available deal was delivered.

That doesn't make it a good deal, by any means, just that it was the best option available.

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i remember it as this (and i could be wrong as im going from memory)

gough stated that the MCG trust wanted to secure more "big games" and wanted to go from 43 to a min of 48 or something there abouts and if that was agreed they would agree to remove the prelim requirment.

the deal of 8/3 saw the MCG trust reach their goal.

and the 3 mill sign off - yep, that was awesome. We lose 1.2 mill in revenue from the SC a year beucase of the move, but yeah that 3 mill is going to be great guns in 5 years time

10 years revenue at PP from SC alone = 15 Mill
TD Bonus to sign = 3 Mill

another great move that saw us lose 12 mill in possible income.

and CB, footy and life does stink, but when we are dealing with such things as the club was at the time, they should have left no stone unturned.

we should have been given the option of

Stay at PP
6TD/5MCG
8MCG/3TD

but we were not, we were given one option, move or die

but you are correct, its old ground now. I wont say im over it (as its a dead issue) but i dont think i will never not hold some resentment to the move.

not that we had to move, but the deal we got wasnt even remotely adequate, yet all i and several others got from everyone, was we where in no position to argue, and that was bullshit then and its bullshit now.

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The AFL actually said after the deal was done that the MCC hadn't put an offer on the table at the time - the MCC said that was completely untrue. They were prepared to negotiate the prelim final/Carlton games deal but the AFL obviously had other ideas and chose to ignore it and pretend it never happened

that does ring bells, as i remember nearly losing my mind in rage at the time.

and what did we do as a club - yes sir, what ever you want sir, perhaps you would like to use the black dildo this time sir

@#$%&! that, its not about saying, stuff you, we are Carlton, it was however, all about the board doing everything in its power to get the best deal available.

the AFL shouldnt have even played a part in the negoitations, how can they possibly not have a conflict of interest when they are the key shareholders in a venue and also control the draw.

we would have won in an instant if it went to court on that fact alone.

but no, yes sir, what ever you want sir, perhaps you would like to use the black dildo this time sir

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conflict of interests from the beginning for the blues..

not only collo who was taking orders from fitzy to firm up his investment and bonuses from westpac bank with hastings and their investment in the phone dome and australian infrastructure fund.

Fair enough, considering our poor financial situation and weak board you're probably right.

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QFT!

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Bingo!

selective quoting at its best

and because they do, they should have no financial interest in a stadium should they.

the CoI is talked about alot these days, but there is no bigger case that i can recall.

perhaps Pert going to the flith then eddie mcchins resigning a week later.

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On the one hand you show you understand the AFL's role, yet on the other you remove all hope I had for you accepting reality.

I'm looking forward to any feasible suggesitons on stopping the AFL controlling the fixtures while they have an interest in the Dome.

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It all boils down to the filth. The draw is built around those @#$%&! scum bags

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'Best fit' not to stitch up fans

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/b ... 26075.html

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

I thought the filth had 11 home games at the G.

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collo loves conflicts of interest

he's currently got his prick in the dyke, sorry finger in carro, i meant finger in the dyke

i noticed that he has put up 2 'the age; sponsorship sigs on the dome

signs are about 6 meters by 3 meters, they went up yesterday.