Coaching Axe Looms for Denis Pagan

verbs · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:38 pm

I was just reading gathp tell us Blues supporters back in 2003 how we screwed up that years draft by picking rejects, and how St Kilda are chock full of talented kids from first round draft picks.

Interesting reading people's responses to his posts, things like Carlton don't need to lie down for early draft choices to be successful, and premierships aren't won by draft picks etc. :shock:

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:42 pm

verbs wrote:

I was just reading gathp tell us Blues supporters back in 2003 how we screwed up that years draft by picking rejects, and how St Kilda are chock full of talented kids from first round draft picks.

Would have been a great tactic if we'd had those first round draft picks... :lol:

verbs · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:45 pm

GWS wrote:

verbs wrote:

I was just reading gathp tell us Blues supporters back in 2003 how we screwed up that years draft by picking rejects, and how St Kilda are chock full of talented kids from first round draft picks.

Would have been a great tactic if we'd had those first round draft picks... :lol:

Even though we only our Walker pick, I think he was suggesting we should've used all our picks on kids instead of retreads. Most people were saying he had rocks in his head.

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:48 pm

verbs wrote:

I was just reading gathp tell us Blues supporters back in 2003 how we screwed up that years draft by picking rejects, and how St Kilda are chock full of talented kids from first round draft picks.

That absolute @#$%&! stick GarthP has been conditioned by his supercoach Grant "I won Mastermind pecialising in Stating the Bleedin Obvious" Thomas, he doesnt know any better. :roll:

CarltonClem · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:49 pm

Carlton God wrote:

CarltonClem wrote:

2) Those who want Pagan to stay need to watch yesterday's game again. It was no different to when we lost to the Swans in round 1 2003 at Telstra Stadium. Same bomb to CHF, bomb to a contest, no leading, NO ONE making space. We haven't moved forward in 4 seasons. Same tactics, same ineffectual bullcrap..

If you are just comparing on a game by game basis why don't you compare our result against west coast in 2003 to in 2006.

You missed the point of my post. Read it again. :roll:

verbs · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:49 pm

AGRO wrote:

verbs wrote:

I was just reading gathp tell us Blues supporters back in 2003 how we screwed up that years draft by picking rejects, and how St Kilda are chock full of talented kids from first round draft picks.

That absolute F@%&#! stick GarthP has been conditioned by his supercoach Grant "I won Mastermind pecialising in Stating the Bleedin Obvious" Thomas, he doesnt know any better. :roll:

Yeah. You did tell him your snake would eat his mongoose.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:50 pm

I just got one of those friend of a friend of a friend rumours :roll:

Just spoke to a guy who's friend is apparently Silvagni's brother in law and apparently SOS reckons Pagan is safe.

I just nodded and smiled

um yeah whatever :roll:

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:55 pm

It's official, you're all over-valuing the input of an AFL coach on match day.

What do you want him to do hey? :lol:

Call a time-out? Change formation? Flip to the backup play? Throw on special teams?

This is AFL football ladies and gents, a coach is severely limited in his impact on match day.

I have at least thrown up a theory (in another thread) to attempt to explain why he does what he does. You all take the soft option; that he's stupid, ignorant, living in the past, etc. Sounds great on a newspaper.

Anyway, here's what I'd like to see in terms of change:

Retained: Pagan, Mitchell, TD, GD, recruitment staff.

Shown the door: Trout, Libba, the board (for the most part), whoever the skills coach is, our strength and conditioning coach (Peter something or other, nice guy). Anyone in the footy department associated with them who doesn't provide a unique skill or a unique level of expertise in a skill. The club doctors too.

Promoted: Peter Dean.

Recruited: SOS, and whoever else we can get our hands on, perhaps a guy like Shaun Rehn, or someone with a proven track record as a midfield coach. A sports scientist and analysis team along with a strength and conditioning coach, who are all under instruction to work together with the coaching staff to maximise player development (and minimise player recovery time) through the best available training techniques and programs. New club doctors, who actually demonstrate a capacity to assess injury and are able to advise on modifications to said sport-science-built programs and techniques to minimise recovery time.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:03 pm

Carlton God wrote:

This is a dumb move if ever I heard one, we should stick with Pagan. Smorgan is in trouble and he is going to put together some shitty line up like Mitchell, SOS, Ratten, Dean to appease the members - Pathetic. This is the kind of thing you would do in the 1970's.

Given how pathetic our list is we had to go for the priority pick. You can't engineer a five point loss every game. Finishing with seven wins would have been a disaster and despite the sheep bleating that winning 6 games would lead to a premiership faster, it wouldn't.

If we are gunna replace him why wouldn't you appoint the best possible person - McKenna, Longmuir, Royal whoever and then allow them to appoint their own assistants?

If Mitchell is so damn good why not let him take over a team in the VFL with an average playing list rather than a star studded one and see how he goes? I'm pretty sure he won't get them to finish 17-1.

I hate to day this but you and I finally agree on something :wink:

Carlton God · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:39 pm **Posts:** 487

CarltonClem wrote:

Carlton God wrote:

CarltonClem wrote:

2) Those who want Pagan to stay need to watch yesterday's game again. It was no different to when we lost to the Swans in round 1 2003 at Telstra Stadium. Same bomb to CHF, bomb to a contest, no leading, NO ONE making space. We haven't moved forward in 4 seasons. Same tactics, same ineffectual bullcrap..

If you are just comparing on a game by game basis why don't you compare our result against west coast in 2003 to in 2006.

You missed the point of my post. Read it again. :roll:

Tell us about ports 79 point loss to Fremantle against another top 4 side on the weekend. I would put today's result to the side when evaluating his performance - it is all you are using.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:11 pm

Its just another case of this game suits my argument I'll use it, this game doesn't, I'll discard it.

abherations abherations abherations.

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:11 pm

dannyboy wrote:

Carlton God wrote:

This is a dumb move if ever I heard one, we should stick with Pagan. Smorgan is in trouble and he is going to put together some shitty line up like Mitchell, SOS, Ratten, Dean to appease the members - Pathetic. This is the kind of thing you would do in the 1970's.

Given how pathetic our list is we had to go for the priority pick. You can't engineer a five point loss every game. Finishing with seven wins would have been a disaster and despite the sheep bleating that winning 6 games would lead to a premiership faster, it wouldn't.

If we are gunna replace him why wouldn't you appoint the best possible person - McKenna, Longmuir, Royal whoever and then allow them to appoint their own assistants?

If Mitchell is so damn good why not let him take over a team in the VFL with an average playing list rather than a star studded one and see how he goes? I'm pretty sure he won't get them to finish 17-1.

I hate to day this but you and I finally agree on something :wink:

Whooooaaaaaa!

There goes Carlton God's credibility... :lol:

blu944 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:12 pm

Digby Morell about to speak on SEN about Pagan and Mitchell

mjonc · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:12 pm

TheBluesMuse wrote:

I think it is more that they were physically and mentally drained and couldn't give a shit.

Couldn't give a shit? The coach and counterparts are responsible for making sure they do give a shit and are physically and mentally prepared.

GWS · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:16 pm

CG wrote:

If we are gunna replace him why wouldn't you appoint the best possible person - McKenna, Longmuir, Royal whoever and then allow them to appoint their own assistants?

As I stated earlier in an ideal situation that would happen.

It's unlikely to for financial reasons.

We're not going to be a serious threat for the next two years so I'm happy to give Mitchell the gig for two years and see if it works.

If it doesn't goodbye Barry hello proper appointment process.

If it does work then we're on our way with two years of effective coaching behind us.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:16 pm

yeah well GW maybe that just makes me a debunker

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:20 pm

blu944 wrote:

Digby Morell about to speak on SEN about Pagan and Mitchell

Cheers for the heads-up.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:29 pm

GWS wrote:

CG wrote:

If we are gunna replace him why wouldn't you appoint the best possible person - McKenna, Longmuir, Royal whoever and then allow them to appoint their own assistants?

As I stated earlier in an ideal situation that would happen.

It's unlikely to for financial reasons.

We're not going to be a serious threat for the next two years so I'm happy to give Mitchell the gig for two years and see if it works.

If it doesn't goodbye Barry hello proper appointment process.

If it does work then we're on our way with two years of effective coaching behind us.

Oh well, at least you're confident we'll be able to afford the dollars to go through "due process" in two years time.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

GWS wrote:

CG wrote:

If we are gunna replace him why wouldn't you appoint the best possible person - McKenna, Longmuir, Royal whoever and then allow them to appoint their own assistants?

As I stated earlier in an ideal situation that would happen.

It's unlikely to for financial reasons.

We're not going to be a serious threat for the next two years so I'm happy to give Mitchell the gig for two years and see if it works.

If it doesn't goodbye Barry hello proper appointment process.

If it does work then we're on our way with two years of effective coaching behind us.

If you could find a few more potential coaches who would do it for 200K a year you might get a field of applicants to have a proper interview process with...I think it was JohnM(correct me if I am wrong) who suggested a panel of expertise to properly headhunt us a coach...while I support Pagan being removed I am not happy with this process of appointing a new coach and dont like it based on the results of this mickey mouse review...very unprofessional and Sticks to me has comprimised himself to the point he should step down and away from anything to do with appointing a new coach...

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:31 pm

appoint Mitch for the wrong reasons and two years may set us back 5.

Get the coach after Mitch wrong and suddenly we're all singing

Oh we're from Tigerland......

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