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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:02 am 
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IF true...

Ratten - ex-Carlton, minimal previous assistant coaching experience
Lappin - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Teague - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Bradley - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Kouta - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Montgomery - no previous coaching experience
(Riley - experience at Claremont (some success, no Premierships), Fremantle (no success) and Melbourne (no success))

Is anyone else concerned by this?

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:52 am 
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I thought Montgomery had a year or 2 as an assistant at the Bulldogs when he retired as a player .

But , in any case , yes , it does concern me .

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:42 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
IF true...

Ratten - ex-Carlton, minimal previous assistant coaching experience
Lappin - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Teague - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Bradley - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Kouta - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Montgomery - no previous coaching experience
(Riley - experience at Claremont (some success, no Premierships), Fremantle (no success) and Melbourne (no success))

Is anyone else concerned by this?


Concerned??? Dude I've gotta 120 page plus thread going on just the first guy on that list... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:23 am 
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samboymolloy wrote:
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kouta would be great in a mentoring role - iirc, there were posts at the time saying that he did a bit of work with setanta when he first started?


Mentoring role???

I'd rather have a donkey's turd mentoring our players before Kouta.

How about Rick McLean mentoring Clokey and Setanta ? :razz:

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:23 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
IF true...

Ratten - ex-Carlton, minimal previous assistant coaching experience
Lappin - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Teague - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Bradley - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Kouta - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Montgomery - no previous coaching experience
(Riley - experience at Claremont (some success, no Premierships), Fremantle (no success) and Melbourne (no success))

Is anyone else concerned by this?



Very, very concerned!!! :banghead:

It is not a personal go at any of them but I would think with such a young group we would want some genuine 'success' in the coaching group.

This is easily our biggest weakness at the moment. If they are seriously adding Kouta full time then it just gives the impression of jobs for the boys. Nice bloke and awesome player but not theb most astute football bloke I have met.

The positive in our coaching has been Darren Harris. Having been poached from WC he has really done some good work in the development area.

2010 will be a big year for all these guys. In a lot of ways Rattens future is in their hands!

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:22 am 
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I am not concerned because i dont have any inside knowledge as to what they all bring to the table.

As long as we continue to improve and develop and win more games than the previous season i reckon we are on the right track. I dont really care who they all played for, who they are mates with and what success they have had in the past. If the results keep going the way they have been i cant complain. If we stagnate then its time for a change.


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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:24 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
IF true...

Ratten - ex-Carlton, minimal previous assistant coaching experience
Lappin - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Teague - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Bradley - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Kouta - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Montgomery - no previous coaching experience
(Riley - experience at Claremont (some success, no Premierships), Fremantle (no success) and Melbourne (no success))

Is anyone else concerned by this?


It is a worry.


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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:28 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
IF true...

Ratten - ex-Carlton, minimal previous assistant coaching experience
Lappin - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Teague - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Bradley - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Kouta - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Montgomery - no previous coaching experience
(Riley - experience at Claremont (some success, no Premierships), Fremantle (no success) and Melbourne (no success))

Is anyone else concerned by this?

Concerned? Yes.

Worried? No.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:40 am 
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samboymolloy wrote:
For many years struggled because he was weak.


I wouldn't call his father's cancer battle and subsequent passing "weak"


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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:52 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
IF true...

Ratten - ex-Carlton, minimal previous assistant coaching experience
Lappin - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Teague - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Bradley - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Kouta - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Montgomery - no previous coaching experience
(Riley - experience at Claremont (some success, no Premierships), Fremantle (no success) and Melbourne (no success))

Is anyone else concerned by this?


You're selling Riley a bit short there Siegfried. Riley has an excellent track record as a development coach and from memory, coached the WAFL under 18s to an Australian championships a few years back. I had the pleasure of listening to him present a session at the AFCA coaches conference a few years ago and he was brilliant. Don't let the relaxed/ocker perception fool you, like Neale Daniher, Riley is an excellent student of the game and relates to people very well.
I also rate Montgomery and Teague has impressed me as well. Teagues approach is exceptional. He is instructive, positive and exposes the players to multiple game styles which fast tracks their development.

As for the others, meh. From what I've heard of Kouta, as I've stated elsewhere he'll add little value IMO. Ratts needs to get out of his comfort zone and challenge himself with new ideas and external influences. Recruiting mates indicates a lack of self confidence.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:13 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
IF true...

Ratten - ex-Carlton, minimal previous assistant coaching experience
Lappin - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Teague - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Bradley - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Kouta - ex-Carlton - no previous coaching experience
Montgomery - no previous coaching experience
(Riley - experience at Claremont (some success, no Premierships), Fremantle (no success) and Melbourne (no success))

Is anyone else concerned by this?



Very, very concerned!!! :banghead:

It is not a personal go at any of them but I would think with such a young group we would want some genuine 'success' in the coaching group.

This is easily our biggest weakness at the moment. If they are seriously adding Kouta full time then it just gives the impression of jobs for the boys. Nice bloke and awesome player but not the most astute football bloke I have met.

The positive in our coaching has been Darren Harris. Having been poached from WC he has really done some good work in the development area.

2010 will be a big year for all these guys. In a lot of ways Rattens' future is in their hands!


Two of the above panel concern me. No prizes for guessing who they are...although aside from training duties, Teague doesn't have a Carlton role per say. I'd love to have a wise old sage in Ratts' ear - but there just aren't any readily available and which one of us would perform a senior role yet be perceived by the outside world to be still on training wheels...not me. Seemingly Neale Daniher's role with West Coast under John Worsfold is the perfect scenario...and one that he is well suited to (yet if Daniher was to come to Carlton in a similiar role - the glass half empty crew on here would go troppo I'm sure).

Darren Harris has been an enormous find.


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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:14 am 
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Is Robert Harvey still with us


If Kouta does nothing but teach preparation he will be Ok - Brilliant Athlete

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:23 am 
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Take away Malthouse, Worsfold, Eade, Roos, Craig and Thompson from their respective teams and those below them present very closely to what CFC has below Ratts. They all virtually have an ex premiership player or two. They all have a new assistant or two not long out of the game and they all have a guy who has been around the traps as a 2IC at various clubs for years.

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:15 am 
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Kouta could lead a coaches Hrreevolt against the dumbass players if they don't play well..

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:22 pm 
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samboymolloy wrote:
4thchicken wrote:
kouta would be great in a mentoring role - iirc, there were posts at the time saying that he did a bit of work with setanta when he first started?


Mentoring role???

I'd rather have a donkey's turd mentoring our players before Kouta.


There's no accounting for taste.......





BTW, we already had a donkey's turd mentoring our players. We've now shipped him off to Brisbane!!

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 Post subject: Re: Assistant Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:15 am 
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Carlton boosts coaching structure

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The Carlton Football Club confirmed today that Robert Harvey will be an Assistant Coach in 2010.

Harvey, who last year served as a Development Coach, has been elevated to the Assistant Coach’s position.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:17 am 
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Hopefully Harvey can teach a few of our blokes what it really means to run your arse off both ways, for four quarters.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:21 pm 
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MASSIVE!!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:36 pm 
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Wasn't part of our 95' devil team but he was apart of one of two teams that beat us that year. Surely that stuck in the mind of the devil team members that run our club both infront and behind the scenes today. Id say that makes him part of the "boys club".

It's a worry.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:28 pm 
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I was at a corporate Golf day a couple of years ago and Robert Harvey was the guest player and speaker. When he did his talk , all he spoke about was the hate that he had for Carlton. Since that speach I have had no respect at all for the man. He is now our assitant coach?? I still hate the man!!


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