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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:23 pm 
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If Malthouse was realistic where we sit he would never have shelled out $600 plus for Daisy.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:28 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I can not believe the misguided crap on here. Most of the arguments revolve around furphy's, constructed to run an anti malthouse agenda
Book Tour - Seriously, he was committed. It was pre season and maybe had we made the decision earlier he wouldn't done the tour.
11'0clock 12 0'clock & I can not envisage us losing a game. What coach is going to walk in before a season and destroy the belief of a playing group by suggesting they can not win. A prime objective of coaching is the installation of self belief and confidence
Stop accusing Malthouse of being dishonest when actually he has been the driver behind realism and honest assessment of where the list is at. The dishonest period in Club's history was the decade before Malthouse arrived.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:30 pm 
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John James wrote:
If Malthouse was realistic where we sit he would never have shelled out $600 plus for Daisy.


You honestly think had we not gotten Daisy, that we would ve gotten anything decent for Eddie as compo ? we wouldn't ve, as Eddie was a rookie selection, with no major individual honours, whose form was pretty crap at the time he left.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:30 pm 
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John James wrote:
If Malthouse was realistic where we sit he would never have shelled out $600 plus for Daisy.


It hasn't worked out because in my opinion the medical assessment wasn't thorough enough combined with bad luck (shoulder)
But the philosophy in recruiting him was totally correct. We needed two way run and still do. We needed extroverts. Not all the risks work.
You need to know for a fact whether Betts really wanted to go to Adelaide before you pass full judgement and whether we could have kept him and recruited Thomas


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:31 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I can not believe the misguided crap on here. Most of the arguments revolve around furphy's, constructed to run an anti malthouse agenda
Book Tour - Seriously, he was committed. It was pre season and maybe had we made the decision earlier he wouldn't done the tour.
11'0clock 12 0'clock & I can not envisage us losing a game. What coach is going to walk in before a season and destroy the belief of a playing group by suggesting they can not win. A prime objective of coaching is the installation of self belief and confidence
Stop accusing Malthouse of being dishonest when actually he has been the driver behind realism and honest assessment of where the list is at. The dishonest period in Club's history was the decade before Malthouse arrived.


Well said Jezz - couldn't agree more :clap: .

Mick has backed his players 100% when they've been unfairly attacked in the media. He is also the first to give them a whack when they @#$%&! up. He has a genuine 'no arsehole' policy rather than the BS Roos model.

We lost Eddie - disappointing, but he was never going to lead us anywhere. We lost Robbo - FFS :roll: .

We lost Garlett - see Eddie.....we picked up Thommo - a bloke who Mick has identified as a leader on and off the field.

He's had injury issues - he's no orphan, but he will come good and when he does, he's gonna be 10x better than Eddie and Robbo combined - hopefully for another 5 years.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:32 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
John James wrote:
If Malthouse was realistic where we sit he would never have shelled out $600 plus for Daisy.


You honestly think had we not gotten Daisy, that we would ve gotten anything decent for Eddie as compo ? we wouldn't ve, as Eddie was a rookie selection, with no major individual honours, whose form was pretty crap at the time he left.


Eddie would have given us a pick in the 20's. He was given a 3 to 4 year on plus 500 at Adelaide.

I would have paid him the extra 100 k he wanted per year. 50 goals per year V a dime a dozen midfielder.

You wonder what letting go of Eddie did to Jeffy and Yarran whilst they bought in another mercenary from Collingwood.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:34 pm 
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Don't think his ankle is an issue anymore so no issue with the medical assessment.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:37 pm 
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Does he take Buttifant with him when he leaves? I've heard the players apart from Curnow & Daisy hate him with a passion.

I don't doubt our players hate anyone that demands hard work and honesty of them...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:40 pm 
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John James wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
John James wrote:
If Malthouse was realistic where we sit he would never have shelled out $600 plus for Daisy.


You honestly think had we not gotten Daisy, that we would ve gotten anything decent for Eddie as compo ? we wouldn't ve, as Eddie was a rookie selection, with no major individual honours, whose form was pretty crap at the time he left.


Eddie would have given us a pick in the 20's. He was given a 3 to 4 year on plus 500 at Adelaide.

I would have paid him the extra 100 k he wanted per year. 50 goals per year V a dime a dozen midfielder.

You wonder what letting go of Eddie did to Jeffy and Yarran whilst they bought in another mercenary from Collingwood.


A pick in the 20s would have been handy had we been top 4. Give me DT as a straight swap for EB any day.

IMO, and it's just a feeling that Yarran will be traded west this year and for good reason. Nothing to do with Mick, but a simple 'go home' factor and we'd be stupid to fight it.

We need to extract a very good trade for him or we'll eventually lose him for 0.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:41 pm 
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What are you talking about Jim? :?
When Nanette Malthouses health scare was announced, I heard nothing but positive messages directed to her and Mick.
It was Mick who bought her back into the debate saying she had been crying this week at the attention directed to him, not her.
Are you suggesting the media should back off Mick because his wife was ill in February? Give me a break.
As for them all sitting down and apologising to each other, this is the real world, not kindergarden. Mick has treated the media with contempt for 20 years and they're getting their bit back now.
The best way to solve it, shut up, do his job and start winning games of footy. No diversions, no excuses, no victim card.
Do the job he's being paid $1 million to do.

At the exact same time that health scare was mentioned, there were people crying in the media and on here that he shouldn't have missed the pre-season match versus the West Coast, and it came up again in the following week when there was speculation he could miss another game.

That's where all of this started. Barrett went in and had an interview alongside several other AFL-accredited outlets, and Mick mentioned the distraction comments. Two bad results and an average one later, after a full pre-season of media outlets rolling their eyes at our list, and here we are.

I can't really blame him for seeing red, but you're right, he needs to get in front of this stuff and show that the thing that drives him more than anything else, is to build this club into something lasting.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:45 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
John James wrote:
If Malthouse was realistic where we sit he would never have shelled out $600 plus for Daisy.


You honestly think had we not gotten Daisy, that we would ve gotten anything decent for Eddie as compo ? we wouldn't ve, as Eddie was a rookie selection, with no major individual honours, whose form was pretty crap at the time he left.

Eddie wanted 80k more than Carlton were prepared to offer, because they wanted to bring in the next messiah Daisy.

Don't go into BS about compo picks or he wanted to go back home blah blah blah.

If Carlton paid what he wanted, he stayed. We would be in a better position now if he stayed. He provided onfield leadership as well, always directing players. Absolutely, got big hole in roving / small forwards at the moment. Menzel is ok, but not there yet. Buckley can't get a game. Hangon we got slow butt ellard playing that role.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:47 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
John James wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
John James wrote:
If Malthouse was realistic where we sit he would never have shelled out $600 plus for Daisy.


You honestly think had we not gotten Daisy, that we would ve gotten anything decent for Eddie as compo ? we wouldn't ve, as Eddie was a rookie selection, with no major individual honours, whose form was pretty crap at the time he left.


Eddie would have given us a pick in the 20's. He was given a 3 to 4 year on plus 500 at Adelaide.

I would have paid him the extra 100 k he wanted per year. 50 goals per year V a dime a dozen midfielder.

You wonder what letting go of Eddie did to Jeffy and Yarran whilst they bought in another mercenary from Collingwood.


A pick in the 20s would have been handy had we been top 4. Give me DT as a straight swap for EB any day.

IMO, and it's just a feeling that Yarran will be traded west this year and for good reason. Nothing to do with Mick, but a simple 'go home' factor and we'd be stupid to fight it.

We need to extract a very good trade for him or we'll eventually lose him for 0.


Lewis Taylor, Zach Merrett, Billy Hartung & Darcy Gardiner were taken in the 20's that draft.

It would have made better sense to get the Pick & save the money we're wasting on Thomas in the cap. Bring contracts forward and have the space in future cap to target a FA that actually helps our side. That is list management.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:47 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I can not believe the misguided crap on here. Most of the arguments revolve around furphy's, constructed to run an anti malthouse agenda
Book Tour - Seriously, he was committed. It was pre season and maybe had we made the decision earlier he wouldn't done the tour.
11'0clock 12 0'clock & I can not envisage us losing a game. What coach is going to walk in before a season and destroy the belief of a playing group by suggesting they can not win. A prime objective of coaching is the installation of self belief and confidence
Stop accusing Malthouse of being dishonest when actually he has been the driver behind realism and honest assessment of where the list is at. The dishonest period in Club's history was the decade before Malthouse arrived.


Michael Jezz talking about crap, furphys and unsubstantiated facts. :lol:

Surely if Malthouse has "been the driver behind realism and honest assessment of where the list is at," you can show us the statements and quotes?
As Ive previously stated, I'm happy to let him coach out the year and prove himself but spare me the "honest Mick" nonsense.
Mick clearly shown a propensity to be dishonest in the past. Do some research and get your facts straight before having a go at others.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:50 pm 
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Nice to see of the term furphy getting a run during ANZAC week.

Quite apt.

Many Furphy water carts were used to take water to Australian Army personnel during World War I in Australia, Europe and the Middle East.[1] The carts, with "J. Furphy & Sons" written on their tanks, became popular as gathering places where soldiers could exchange gossip, rumours and fanciful tales—much like today's water cooler discussion.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:59 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Nice to see of the term furphy getting a run during ANZAC week.

Quite apt.

Many Furphy water carts were used to take water to Australian Army personnel during World War I in Australia, Europe and the Middle East.[1] The carts, with "J. Furphy & Sons" written on their tanks, became popular as gathering places where soldiers could exchange gossip, rumours and fanciful tales—much like today's water cooler discussion.


Possibly the new rhyming slang for our captain?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:11 pm 
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The Duke wrote:
[He has a genuine 'no arsehole' policy rather than the BS Roos model.


How did that work out with Didak driving around with Christopher Hudson?
Or Heath Shaw blowing 3 times the legal limit and crashing his car?
Or Heath Shaw and Didak lying about Didak being in the car to the point of the club holding a press conference to deny it?
Or Micks own charade of lying about calling Milne a rapist and even issuing a press statement to lie about it.
Or Dane Swan up on assault charges? What about Ben Johnson on a couple of assault charges and Chris Tarrant as well.
Brodie Holland punching a woman in the face…..Need I go on?

Suddenly Mick has become Mother Teresa. :lol: The reality has well and truly gone out the window in this thread.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:13 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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[He has a genuine 'no arsehole' policy rather than the BS Roos model.


How did that work out with Didak driving around with Christopher Hudson?
Or Heath Shaw blowing 3 times the legal limit and crashing his car?
Or Heath Shaw and Didak lying about Didak being in the car to the point of the club holding a press conference to deny it?
Or Micks own charade of lying about calling Milne a rapist and even issuing a press statement to lie about it.
Or Dane Swan up on assault charges? What about Ben Johnson on a couple of assault charges and Chris Tarrant as well.
Brodie Holland punching a woman in the face…..Need I go on?

Suddenly Mick has become Mother Teresa. :lol: The reality has well and truly gone out the window in this thread.

You forgot Krakauer

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:16 pm 
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Oh theres plenty more. I just can't be bothered looking back.

'No arsehole policy hey? :lol: Even Mick himself said players shouldn't be treated equally. Let the good ones get away with it and kick the strugglers. What a good message that sends.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:20 pm 
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Mick was the arsehole evictor but Eddie was the arsehole recruiter.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:30 pm 
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Yeah, it was all Eddies fault. :lol:
How many of them were evicted by Mick for their misdemeanours? Zero.

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