20 games is quite a test sample. we are a trainwreck of a club.

This says it all.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Simply put we need to start again at the end of this year
The next 4 games are very winnable but even if the club win all 4 it will hide the cracks
The best thing about the GWS game was the kids
Carroll Lord O’Farrell and White all show promise
It’s some of the senior players who need to be moved on at the end of the year

I would trade Walsh and McKay
Walsh seems to have peaked already
He is a very good player but doesn’t hurt the opposition like a Zac Butters
A trade would see a top 10 pick plus salary cap relief
McKay has no hard edge for a big guy and is too inconsistent
He would fetch a top10 pick as well

Cripps would be worth trading
I love the man but he is on the downside
Thrown in players like McGovern Williams Durdinand a few others that we could receive late picks to trade up in the draft or pick some golden nuggets
DeKoning doesn’t have the physical presence of a true ruckman
Free agency will mean 3 picks in the top 10
O’Keefe hopefully becomes something

Give Lemmey Wilson and Charleston some game time this year

The club has never really gone down this path
IMO it has to now because we clearly arnt good enough
We can win the next 4 games against average opposition but it hides the cracks

Just finally admit 25 years we have [REDACTED] up and start again
Watch the club be in denial and we will endure another decade of painful shit

We should trade Cripps to any team he wants to play for. We owe him that.

Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable.

We have huge issues but there has to be meaningful change NOW.

If Lloyd and Voss are still in their jobs post bye we are going nowhere. What are they waiting for? Spoiler alert, it’s not coming.

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We are on our way back...

What’s the saying ‘no matter how far you travel down the wrong road you can always turn around’

Jay Clark article since being 30 points up in the preliminary we are 17 and 17 we are now 18.
Middle of the road team sliding south

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

sign up JSOS as soon as possible

piss off every other senior player who doesnt follow his desperation and love for the jumper

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my last one was rubbish

Can’t blame our better players for our slow demise

It’s the major reason why we have won games under Voss

Our lack of depth within the 22 has been an issue since Judd was recruited

We struggle to build a winning squad that can sustain a game plan that encompasses both inside and outside play

Until this changes we will remain middling and will slide to the bottom. Rinse and repeat for the worst club this century.

We are clearly not up to it.
I can’t say for sure whether the players or the coach are the main problem.
I really want to believe in both.
But clearly, one of three things must be true:
1) Voss has a good game plan but the players aren’t able to deliver it (either because the players aren’t up to it or Voss can’t teach/motivate them)
2) Voss’s plan is sh1t and while the players are trying to execute it, it is simply not working
3) The players aren’t able to execute his game plan but even if they could it is still not an effective game plan.

Most of the above points in the direction of Voss although it remains possible that this group of players would fail under any coach.

Bottom line, if I’m Cook/Wright/Priestley, I’m tossing up between replacing the coach or trading out a few key players. Clearly, if we think we have a Premiership list that is underperforming, we might replace the coach. But if we think we need to refine the list, we have a few players with heaps of currency as Keogh highlighted. I wouldn’t trade all of them but I would move on, say, 2-3 of them. But this is a longer term play. If they think we need a complete revamp I.e. if they believe that Weitering/Charlie/Harry will not be around for our next Premiership, then I’d go the full Keogh route.
I think it’s a bit Pollyanna to think we are going through the same as Geelong 2006, Richmond 2016 or Melbourne 2020 but if that is a parallel, surely we need to replace at least two assistant coaches??

I think neither the coach nor the list is good enough, which is why we're always flip flopping and arguing the two.

I don't want us changing coach without changing the core of the list. We've seen enough of this list to know that Cripps, H, CC, ZW, JW, Saad, Newman, Gov etc (focusing on stars/high earners, obviously there are more like Haynes) will not win a flag here, so we should reorient the list towards the next window. I do not want a complete rebuild because of Tasmania, because we have promising f/s prospects coming up who need proper support, and because so many clubs in so many sports follow this blind faith in tank-and-draft that more often than not leads to a terminal loser culture.

That loser culture is plainly evident at Carlton - when watching games live on TV I find myself half-watching half-doomscrolling in the final quarter even when there's less than a kick in it, because I know we don't have the mentality to win. Like Jesse Motlop presented with a moderately difficult crumb-and-goal chance, we're happy to get some 2 parts out of 3 right and just fall short. Can't fault the effort, close enough is good enough, etc.

For this reason, the next phase should not be a total rebuild but there needs to be a purge of those inculcated in the 21st century Carlton way. That means no Cripps, no Walsh, no H/CC, not even Weitering. Of the core, we should prioritise those who grew up in winning cultures. Hewett the obvious one, Newman even though he's old. Struggling to think of others (some have come through even worse formations, like Saad at early GCS and * - heaven help us!) so I would not be looking to trade everyone for draft assets, I would be looking to trade for proven winners, even those getting a bit grey in the beard.

Wright has got his work cut out for him. Don't rush it, don't make the easy choices. If it takes 3-4 years to reshape us into a decent side then so be it. Not like we're going anywhere in that time frame as it stands.

i love jsos. probably the most of anyone here on the board. but ... can he stay healthy? to my memory he's never played a full season?