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The Federal Court has been told there is new evidence from a defence witness that could change the case against Melbourne businessman Richard Pratt.


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Pratt prosecution going ahead

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Prosecutors will push ahead with the criminal prosecution against billionaire businessman Richard Pratt despite new evidence that may assist the cardboard king's case.


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If this case somehow comes to an abrupt end and King Pratt is found not guilty, will he automtically resume as President of the Blues or has he OFFICIALLY stepped down?

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If this case somehow comes to an abrupt end and King Pratt is found not guilty, will he automtically resume as President of the Blues or has he OFFICIALLY stepped down?


It all depends on his health and capacity to take the reins. The longer this court case progresses, the more unlikely Pratt will be back.

Although, it has been mentioned that Pratt has never been out of the loop at Carlton since stepping down.

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Im no expert but i think the ACCC want this to drag out as long as it can and drag his name through the mud

+ i don't think we need Pratt as president, he is the spiritual president of the club and sticks just the face.


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The case against Pratt will fail.


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Im no expert but i think the ACCC want this to drag out as long as it can and drag his name through the mud

I'd say that the ACCC is losing the PR battle. If it had been able to bring the case on quickly, it might have been able to ride some hostility towards Pratt for "stealing" from the average Joe, as you hear talkback callers saying.

But now, will there be any potential jurors (assuming it's a trial before a jury) who won't have heard that:
* Samuel hates Pratt;
* there is an allegation that Samuel or the ACCC tried to set him up with a settlement agreement;
* a former High Court Judge, McHugh, says that he was so sick he was disengaged during the mediation, and that he continued to deny any conversation in private mediation sessions prior to settling the matter;
* the DPP sought time to consider McHugh's comments but still didn't pull his horns in.

Jurors might well come into the case thinking well of Pratt and hating the ACCC. Especially any who might be Carlton supporters :lol:


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I think most of us in here are of the fact that Dick Pratt has saved the Carlton Football Club and will be forever immortalized as such whether he is found guilty or not.

Perhaps you are also of the thought that in the scheme of things the cardboard cartel Pratt contrived with Amcor was of such insignificance in comparison to the benevolence of Richard Pratt to society over many, many years.

On one hand I was furious at how Steve Vizard got off so lightly from ASIC. But if Vizard had been affiliated with Carlton - I might have shrugged my shoulders and intimated that our state government was far more guilty of more serious white collar crime.

If the ACCC lawyers can prove that Pratt is lying about knowledge of the cartel - which in my opinion they will - chances are we won't be seeing Richard Pratt back at Visy Park, nor perhaps at Visy. I don't think anyone (Graeme Samuel included) wants to see Dick Pratt go to jail. But he does face losing directorship at the company he started, and similarly to what has happened at Carlton will be forced to fade into the background.

Which leads me back to that first paragraph. Does it change things? Not from where I sit. Talks of a Jesaulenko statue at Visy Park should be talked about as much as a Dick Pratt statue. The next chapter of Carlton's history that is yet to be written will tell of one man succeeding where others failed. My generation has seen success to the point where it was taken for granted. We've now also seen failure to the point where some thought it best to hand in the keys and walk away. We'd still be there if it weren't for Dick Pratt.

The Pratt legacy as far as Carlton people are concerned is one that Richard Pratt needn't worry about.


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I think most of us in here are of the fact that Dick Pratt has saved the Carlton Football Club and will be forever immortalized as such whether he is found guilty or not.

Perhaps you are also of the thought that in the scheme of things the cardboard cartel Pratt contrived with Amcor was of such insignificance in comparison to the benevolence of Richard Pratt to society over many, many years.

On one hand I was furious at how Steve Vizard got off so lightly from ASIC. But if Vizard had been affiliated with Carlton - I might have shrugged my shoulders and intimated that our state government was far more guilty of more serious white collar crime.

If the ACCC lawyers can prove that Pratt is lying about knowledge of the cartel - which in my opinion they will - chances are we won't be seeing Richard Pratt back at Visy Park, nor perhaps at Visy. I don't think anyone (Graeme Samuel included) wants to see Dick Pratt go to jail. But he does face losing directorship at the company he started, and similarly to what has happened at Carlton will be forced to fade into the background.

Which leads me back to that first paragraph. Does it change things? Not from where I sit. Talks of a Jesaulenko statue at Visy Park should be talked about as much as a Dick Pratt statue. The next chapter of Carlton's history that is yet to be written will tell of one man succeeding where others failed. My generation has seen success to the point where it was taken for granted. We've now also seen failure to the point where some thought it best to hand in the keys and walk away. We'd still be there if it weren't for Dick Pratt.

The Pratt legacy as far as Carlton people are concerned is one that Richard Pratt needn't worry about.


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If this case somehow comes to an abrupt end and King Pratt is found not guilty, will he automtically resume as President of the Blues or has he OFFICIALLY stepped down?


It all depends on his health and capacity to take the reins. ......


RP won't be back, ...It was always intended to be a short time...it was never intended that some of these issues were brought out (especially in these circumstances by an ex-high court judge no less!)

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http://business.theage.com.au/business/qantas-cops-20m-fine-for-price-fixing-20081211-6we9.html

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The airline has also admitted its guilt in the US, where it paid a $US300 million fine for price fixing. It has been fined in Britain for its involvement in fixing air freight and passenger fares. Other airlines to admit their guilt to either freight or passenger fare price-fixing in the US include Japan Airlines, Korean Airlines, Lufthansa and Virgin Atlantic.

The ACCC chairman, Graeme Samuel, in a media statement, congratulated Qantas for its admission of guilt.


You gotta laugh at Samuel. Qantas have a form when rorting the consumer, but he applauds them for their admission of guilt. :roll:

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DownUnderChick wrote:
http://business.theage.com.au/business/qantas-cops-20m-fine-for-price-fixing-20081211-6we9.html

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The airline has also admitted its guilt in the US, where it paid a $US300 million fine for price fixing. It has been fined in Britain for its involvement in fixing air freight and passenger fares. Other airlines to admit their guilt to either freight or passenger fare price-fixing in the US include Japan Airlines, Korean Airlines, Lufthansa and Virgin Atlantic.

The ACCC chairman, Graeme Samuel, in a media statement, congratulated Qantas for its admission of guilt.


You gotta laugh at Samuel. Qantas have a form when rorting the consumer, but he applauds them for their admission of guilt. :roll:


Starkly highlights the ridiculous and personal nature of the attacks on Pratt.

I won't be holding my breath waiting for Fatprick to do a scathing report on why the AFL should refuse Qantas' sponsorship.

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Just more inconsistency from a mostly ineffective organisation.

I hope the ACCC doesn't cost too much to run...

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The funny thing is that the ACCC is itself a monopoly.

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It's an unethical case to pursue, it is an abuse of justice for a man to plead guilty as a plea bargain and then be charged for the same wrongs with a higher penalty (even in a different jurisdiction). I won't even go there that he was 70+ years old and being treated for cancer at the time.

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