How would people feel if… (Princes Park to AFL)

Kouta · **Posted:** Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:29 am

I should have studied hindsight at School.

Blues see Gold in Green - Oct 23 2005. Caroline Wilson.

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Collins has been negotiating with the AFL in a bid to turn Optus Oval into the league's official No. 3 preferred venue behind the MCG and Telstra Dome and home to such smaller siblings as the TAC under-18 competition, Football Victoria and the Umpires Association and a standby in the event of either of its main stadiums being placed out of action.

And given the renamed Legends Stand seats some 10,000 spectators but little else, both parties are looking at a refurbished Princes Park without the costly, but ineffective, stand that big Jack built.

Instead, that area outside the still-perfect playing surface potentially would house community and elite sporting facilities that would keep Optus Oval in the picture, both financially from Carlton's point of view as well as remaining firmly on the AFL's radar.

The Carlton board, led by Collins, has been working with the AFL under the unspoken assumption that Telstra Dome â€” which with each passing year looms as a better and better investment â€” might not serve as an AFL venue two decades down the track but instead may be sold at a massive profit.

While this is not to suggest Princes Park would replace it, surely it is prudent for the league to contribute to the ground's upkeep, not simply under the auspices of its new multimillion-dollar facilities development scheme for struggling Victorian clubs, but also as a joint venture between the AFL and Carlton to keep the MCG honest.

Optus Oval might well prove Carlton's saving grace in an off-field sense. The Elliott regime may have come close to bleeding the place dry but, at least, it still remains Carlton's, although under these new plans, Elliott himself would not recognise the place, either.

79Vintage · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:59 am **Posts:** 1971

I like this idea, as long as we place the condition on the hand over of the lease that Princes Park is our home base until we decide otherwise.

It's not a bad outcome for Princes Park. Hello Umpires Association.

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

I can't help thinking that the whole article is constructed by the Journo by reading this forum.... It is a mix of what has been officially said by the club and what has been discussed here.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:23 am

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

Synbad wrote:

:lol:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:37 am

China Blues wrote:

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news/afl/blues-set-to-offload-ground-to-afl/2006/03/02/1141191791166.html

So who was it that posed this hypothetical situation during the week? Inside knowledge ? or just Caro getting the jump on everyone again?

Sorry moderators. In my haste to post this I didn;t check the latest posts on Sinners original thread. Please merge or delete this new thread :oops:

.. CB.

Good stuff, all merged up.

What I like about this is the lateral thinking applied to, theoretically, create a win win situation for both Carlton and the AFL.

What I don't like about this is still not having an awareness of the finer details. This initiative could be as bad as it could be great.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18076

2 years ago Karen Lyon interviewed Michael Malouf in The Age.
She stated we had lowered our debt from in excess of $7.5 million down to $ 1.637 Million.

Now Jake Niall states our debt is in excess of 6 million.

I'd be interested to know which is correct.

Warby · **Posted:** Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:59 am

According to today's Age.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 91166.html

KERMIT · **Posted:** Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:09 am

I like the sound of this idea. It might just be the start of a strategic recovery for CFC.

What I don't like is having to deal with the AFL. They put thier own interests ahead of the club and the supporters. Dancing with the devil.

There is no avoiding them however so from what I have seen and read so far well done to all concerned on a very good initiative.

tap in 79 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am **Posts:** 2143

Sounds good in theory to me as long as:

1) carlton can eventually put in a hall of fame area which is open to the public..along the similar lines to Essendon*'s very good history/hall of fame area.

2) that we don't sell it off to make a quick buck and then 10 years down the track still be broke and have no assets.

A lot of state govts. look for short term fixes to problems and don't look at the longer picture.

I hope we don't follow the state govt. leads on how to obtain money.
ie give us the bucks now, and we'll worry about the future some other time.

bmaurizio · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1624

We were in a stronger negotiating position prior to our Domre move.
Now we are at our lowest ebb, financially speaking and all over the place.

However a dynamic and creative board would get our debt wiped clean and perhaps a little extra from AFL later on in the year.

This is a chance to apply a little initiative, question is do we have a board and president with the stick, energy and evision to get the job done?
Ciao

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:51 am

Blue Vain wrote:

2 years ago Karen Lyon interviewed Michael Malouf in The Age.
She stated we had lowered our debt from in excess of $7.5 million down to $ 1.637 Million.

Now Jake Niall states our debt is in excess of 6 million.

I'd be interested to know which is correct.

BV, you know as well as i , you can do anything with a bunch of figures and an accountant.

CarltonComeback · **Joined:** Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:53 am **Posts:** 62

bmaurizio wrote:

We were in a stronger negotiating position prior to our Domre move.
Now we are at our lowest ebb, financially speaking and all over the place.

However a dynamic and creative board would get our debt wiped clean and perhaps a little extra from AFL later on in the year.

This is a chance to apply a little initiative, question is do we have a board and president with the stick, energy and evision to get the job done?
Ciao

Thats the thing, have the AFL planned this in advance. They wanted us to move and apparently promised or hinted they would help with the building of new training facilities but then nothing happened. Now that no games are being played there and PP is a heavy weight around the clubs neck, the AFL step in to offer to take over the lease.
Instead of Carlton getting the benefits of other organisations (VFL, TAC, UA) using the ground and facilities, it will be the AFL.
Can't help but feel that Carlton has been lead on this path by the AFL and even possibly by Collins.
Why are the AFL talking about upgrading the facilities now and not straight after we moved to TD? Like we were led to believe.
Only problem now is, is there any other way? If the club does lose the lease to the AFL it really does lose a valuable asset and makes use all the more vulnerable.
If we could somehow manage to hold onto the lease and get the upgrade and maintenance (1.8mil p/a :shock:

) on our own, IMO the club will be in a much better financial situation in the future.

Kouta · **Posted:** Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:17 am

Blue Vain wrote:

2 years ago Karen Lyon interviewed Michael Malouf in The Age.
She stated we had lowered our debt from in excess of $7.5 million down to $ 1.637 Million.

Now Jake Niall states our debt is in excess of 6 million.

I'd be interested to know which is correct.

IIRC it was more than $7.5 million when Collo came into office and even The Spew says it was $11 million in this video from Mandy's website. :shock:

Look away now if you're easily offended! :evil:

Click here

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:20 am

JuzzCarlton wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

2 years ago Karen Lyon interviewed Michael Malouf in The Age.
She stated we had lowered our debt from in excess of $7.5 million down to $ 1.637 Million.

Now Jake Niall states our debt is in excess of 6 million.

I'd be interested to know which is correct.

IIRC it was more than $7.5 million when Collo came into office and even The Spew says it was $11 million in this video from Mandy's website. :shock:

Look away now if you're easily offended! :evil:

Click here

I'm not easily offended - but I just vomited all over my keyboard. :roll:

Kouta · **Posted:** Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:36 am

More good news if this and any new sponsorship deals come off.

AFL probes takeover of Princes Park further

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In the strongest indication yet of its desire to take over management of Princes Park, the AFL has engaged a consultant to study the feasibility of it buying the lease of Carlton's home groundâ€¦

camel · **Posted:** Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:34 am

JuzzCarlton wrote:

More good news if this and any new sponsorship deals come off.

AFL probes takeover of Princes Park further

Quote:

In the strongest indication yet of its desire to take over management of Princes Park, the AFL has engaged a consultant to study the feasibility of it buying the lease of Carlton's home groundâ€¦

Thanks for the link Juzz.

(I gave your post a bit of an edit. In the past the papers have been a bit touchy on forums like ours posting full copies of their articles, even if an originating link has been supplied. I think they may even still get a bit narky with quoting bits and pieces, but at this stage I'm happy to include small snippets, such as the first paragraph, along with the weblink.)

Synbad · **Posted:** Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:11 am

The AFL are going to do us a 1.8 mill favour.

Clubs crack the shits...

The AFL before they do us a favour will seek a viability report....

Cant see how PP is viable to the AFL.... sounds like its dead in the water...!

But if it becomes something like the AIS...and it embraces TAC and draft camps were laughing.... :wink:

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18076

I like the comment about the AFL "buying" the lease. :wink:

Kouta · **Posted:** Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:53 am

camelboy wrote:

JuzzCarlton wrote:

More good news if this and any new sponsorship deals come off.

AFL probes takeover of Princes Park further

Quote:

In the strongest indication yet of its desire to take over management of Princes Park, the AFL has engaged a consultant to study the feasibility of it buying the lease of Carlton's home groundâ€¦

Thanks for the link Juzz.

(I gave your post a bit of an edit. In the past the papers have been a bit touchy on forums like ours posting full copies of their articles, even if an originating link has been supplied. I think they may even still get a bit narky with quoting bits and pieces, but at this stage I'm happy to include small snippets, such as the first paragraph, along with the weblink.)

Deja Vu!

What's the catch with this deal?

I hope the AFL don't see take this a fallback option for reducing the number of Melbourne clubs. If we don't have leverage by owning our home ground and a 30 year lease, can they use this against us and force us to merge or move where they see fit?

Or am I just paranoid about Demetriou?

But how does Carlton get the income from signing a ground sponsor if the AFL owns the lease?

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