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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 9:36 am 
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Harry Vallence

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DesEnglish wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
When Charlie Goes shaking opposition hands after half time & wants to joke around with them plus Motlop wanting to play with his play station after kicking a goal, You know how Mentally broken these players have become!


I don't know if it was just me or anyone else noticing it, but tonight I saw something beyond Disturbing:

** Every time I saw Cerra kick the ball, he turned it over. Literally
** Every time I saw Acres kick the ball, he Turned it over
** Every time I saw Doc run out of defence, he turned it over.
** Every time I saw Hewett get a position, he refused to kick it in fear of turning it over, so he just handballed it

Can someone plz check if Hewett in fact had any kicks for the entire Game? I really don't think he did!


Not defending Motlop across the game, but the PlayStation thing was an acknowledgment of a guy that died.


Then acknowledge it elsewhere. He can go and start a podcast or something where he can make his acknowledgements. His actions in the circumstances are not appreciated by the team he plays for SUPPORTERS.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 9:49 am 
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You can sum up the mind set of the players in one passage of play.
Acres marks 40 out not much angle. He then kicks to Lord 45 out on the same angle but un favoured side. Who then hand passes to McGovern running by who tries to kick it from 50 plus on the run.

Zero confidence in their own abilities so don't want to take on the responsibility.

And there were several other instances where we had momentum running towards goal with a head of steam and instead of taking the shot tried to pin point passes to a player who had a pies player right up his backside.

Take the bloody shot

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:15 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
You can sum up the mind set of the players in one passage of play.
Acres marks 40 out not much angle. He then kicks to Lord 45 out on the same angle but un favoured side. Who then hand passes to McGovern running by who tries to kick it from 50 plus on the run.

Zero confidence in their own abilities so don't want to take on the responsibility.

And there were several other instances where we had momentum running towards goal with a head of steam and instead of taking the shot tried to pin point passes to a player who had a pies player right up his backside.

Take the bloody shot

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So true

We make the easy look hard

Also shows low IQ and a lack of a system

Surely at training it’s drummed into them to take a shot 40 metres out


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:38 am 
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Stephen Silvagni

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Sydney Blue wrote:
The difference between the 2 sides last night is the difference between the pairs list management. Collingwood are not obsessed with going to the draft or trading up for picks. Macrae said last year I need players not picks.
They had just as many first choice players out as we did but weren't relying on 19 and 20 year olds to fill there spots.

Looking for established players that add to depth appears looking at ladder leaders to be a far better strategy than going to the draft.
SPS Obrien Dow Stocker Carroll should have all been part of our team. But going to the draft and picking 1st year apprentices and hoping they are going to be gun trades i 4 years is very risky. All other Industries in Australia have worked this out years ago and it is been more beneficial to bring skills from elsewhere. It's okay to have 1 or 2 coming through but when you have 17 apprentices of which maybe 3 will come good is to risky.
With that many it requires a lot of development spread over a lot of players with limited resources to develop them properly. Go and get honest tradesman that can fill a need in your workplace

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Spot on SB. The dumbbell list.

“Give me players not picks”
That’s the attitude required if your ultimate goal Is a flag and your window is open.
That was also the attitude of Carlton in our Golden era.
Know your gaps, get rid of weal bits and fill the gaps.

You can blame salary cap all you like, but blaming doesn’t fix things.
Pies proved salary cap constraints are not a death sentence.

We have never spent our salary cap since Austin has taken control of List.
SOS saved his 105% SC and used it to front load coz he couldn’t land a big fish.
Martin and Gov is all SOS could muster. Hardly big fish.

Houston wasn’t the answer either. He’s not worth 800K.
We need good honest tradesmen around the core.

Have a look at the cheap tradies we DID find: Hewett Haynes Newman
All from clubs with a better culture, not the draft.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:40 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Liked Williams, Cowan, Hollands and Carroll.
Thought Pitto at least battled away.
Moir didn’t get a lot, but when he touched it usually something happened.
…..and that’s about it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:41 am 
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WOW wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
You can sum up the mind set of the players in one passage of play.
Acres marks 40 out not much angle. He then kicks to Lord 45 out on the same angle but un favoured side. Who then hand passes to McGovern running by who tries to kick it from 50 plus on the run.

Zero confidence in their own abilities so don't want to take on the responsibility.

And there were several other instances where we had momentum running towards goal with a head of steam and instead of taking the shot tried to pin point passes to a player who had a pies player right up his backside.

Take the bloody shot

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So true

We make the easy look hard

Also shows low IQ and a lack of a system

Surely at training it’s drummed into them to take a shot 40 metres out


You’re right. It’s a bit of a lot of things.

Braithy has been trying to say that but gets lost on one issue to prove one point.
The game plan may be good, but it doesn’t suit our profile when we have more than 8 out injured.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:55 am 
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Hewett was the glue in the team
Don’t criticise him
He wins hard ball or makes it neutral
He does his job.
He’s not the play maker, and line breaker.

I think he’s smart not bombing it forward just to increase his kicking stats.
That just falls into Pies trap.
They were on and closed space. The bought the heat. We didn’t.

Pies get away with a lot of pushing in the back.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:21 am 
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2 inside 50 tackles.
1 was from Pittonet.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:43 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
2 inside 50 tackles.
1 was from Pittonet.


That's a good point. They have 3-4 small forwards who are there primarily to bring tackling pressure. They can't even do that.

The defence and midfield (without injuries) is relatively strong. The forward line is a mess.

No one can take a mark (outside McKay and Curnow). No small forward, tall forward, no one.

Even ones you think can take a mark, rarely do.

De Koening...he's taken 43 marks for the season (he gets at least some time forward)...why can't he mark it more?
Haynes (a defender) is the number 1 mark taker with 134 marks. He deserves another season in my view.

Fantasia 13 marks for the season so far.
Durdin 24 marks.

Whoever is recruiting these players, surely needs to review their notes on whether they can at least mark the ball. I miss Matthew Owies...he could at least take a mark.

Owies 67 marks last year, 33 goals.
Acres can mark the bloody ball. 138 marks last year. Bloody well put him in the forward line. It can't get worse.

Btw -
What's the point of having ruckmen who can't mark the ball? DeKoening (43) and Pittonet (4) marks between them. The Collingwood ruckman Darcy Cameron has taken 78 marks.
Do they do marking practise?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:45 am 
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Even at lower levels if your are in your range of the sticks, have a ping

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:53 am 
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Harry Vallence

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Yep
Inside 50 tackles 2 vs 13 (yes two)
Contested marks 7 vs 22
Other basic stats not that dramatically lopsided given we lost by 10 goals


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:51 pm 
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We made a major blue in dropping L Young, we badly needed a mature strong body tall both in defence and in attack. Imagine constantly asking Moir to be the sole key forward against Moore for a large part of the match?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:40 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:

Not defending Motlop across the game, but the PlayStation thing was an acknowledgment of a guy that died.


Then acknowledge it elsewhere. He can go and start a podcast or something where he can make his acknowledgements. His actions in the circumstances are not appreciated by the team he plays for SUPPORTERS.


It's one thing to be annoyed when you don't know what it's about, but to double down when you've had it explained is pretty low.


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