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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:04 am 
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Need to get this thread back to resembling alternative options to Ratts as the first post asked or will be merging with the Ratts thread. :thanks:

Just on that... is it too much for some kind of independant board to go out and source 4 or 6 or 10 best candidates for the job and choose the one they believe is best?
Then attach a great group of assistant coaches to that man?
And the very best of infrustrtructure around them???

Why does it have to be Brett ' no experience or grounding' Ratten.. and 15 year retired ex players.. with a couple of recently retired footballers as assistants???.. chosen by the Frank Spencer of AFL football decisions Sticks Kernahan....

It just doesnt look right to me... and it wont translate into anything positive as things stand..


One thing that I never understood about Pratt was the comment he made about leaving all football matters up to Sticks (not long after becomming president). It seemed to go against his business principles..The club needs to do something about this role and fast!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:52 am 
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Contracted for 2 years after this, seriously guys, Ratts is coaching Carlton in 2010. Even if we miss the finals.

Would've love it if the planets aligned and we had Buckley lined up to coach us, but not to be.

All we can hope is that Ratts can learn on the job and develop/keep developing at a reasonably rapid rate. Because all the agitation and angst in the world isn't going to change the fact that Ratts is our coach for at least another season.


That logic suggests that even if we then know Ratts is not the man that we should hope he will become so one day...wow....the professionalism is killing me... :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:48 am 
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next year its Ratts and the bar is lifted again

and if he fails as some here clearly think we will

yet if we make top 4 ((not saying this is what he must do, mind) I think he'll get the next year as well despite the doomsayers
and maybe even a further 2 years

if not,
then I hope we set up a proper process this time and do not just run out and ask SOS or whoever.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:51 am 
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No, J&TK...

That logic suggests that we're all just a bunch of supporters, and even if we think the coach stinks, it's patently obvious that he isn't going to be sacked by the club. Not with more than 2 years left on his contract.

So you either accept that, or decide to spend the next season-and-a-bit in a state of angst-ridden misery.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:27 am 
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A two year Ratten contract wouldn't be much to pay out on the back of a 10 wins season.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:34 am 
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Buckley - Not Jimmy, not Jeff............I want Naifan.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:34 am 
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Anyone with an impressive powerpoint presentation, can communicate, good tactics, good relationship with the players, hard worker, media savy, possesses plans A, B, and C and possibly D, well travelled and educated, married, family man, a good balance between being tough with the players but at the same time maintaining respect, doesn't crack under pressure, will win 67%-78% of all games, expects nothing short of finals, maintains a healthy diet and lifestyle, and no smash ball.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:38 am 
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Anyone with an impressive powerpoint presentation, can communicate, good tactics, good relationship with the players, hard worker, media savy, possesses plans A, B, and C and possibly D, well travelled and educated, married, family man, a good balance between being tough with the players but at the same time maintaining respect, doesn't crack under pressure, will win 67%-78% of all games, expects nothing short of finals, maintains a healthy diet and lifestyle, and no smash ball.

The irony is Ratten didnt even have to show that much to get the job......

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:43 am 
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Ideally? I'd love to see Pratt's method of employing 'the best' put in practice and a bucket load of money thrown at Neil Craig.

He has a very high win ratio and this year against a tonne of media pressure turned around the performance of the Crows to be one of the dominant sides of the comp - whilst blooding youngsters at the same time.

He has also operated with what I'd suggest is an average forward line during his tenure at the Crows, but he has consistently managed to wring the best out of his players and importantly seems to be educating them along the way - they seem well drilled and work together as a team.


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Ideally? I'd love to see Pratt's method of employing 'the best' put in practice and a bucket load of money thrown at Neil Craig.

He has a very high win ratio and this year against a tonne of media pressure turned around the performance of the Crows to be one of the dominant sides of the comp - whilst blooding youngsters at the same time.

He has also operated with what I'd suggest is an average forward line during his tenure at the Crows, but he has consistently managed to wring the best out of his players and importantly seems to be educating them along the way - they seem well drilled and work together as a team.



Craig and Adelaide are what a modern day footy club are all about.

They are a military training facility... and a factory for manufacturing footballers...

They all understand what theyre doing.
(Even the kids)
Their older players are evergreen.
(Beautifully trained)
Skills are exceptional and is a coach that extracts maximum out of individuals and the team as a collective...

Thats where we have to be if were going to be succesful....



But you cant become that unless you think outside of the square and you appoint exceotional people into roles.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:58 am 
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I have said in the past I'd be very surprised to see a Neil Craig coached Adelaide win a premeriship, and after their complete failure against St Kilda not much has changed. Not sure he's got what it takes to get them to the next level.


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its not about results verbs, its about process. :smoking:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:54 am 
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I have said in the past I'd be very surprised to see a Neil Craig coached Adelaide win a premeriship, and after their complete failure against St Kilda not much has changed. Not sure he's got what it takes to get them to the next level.



Needs 3 number 1 picks.... juddy and fev and hed shit it in....

but imagine ratts playing with what he has..... he would get nothing out of their oldies and kids would be too yooung and unskilled...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:48 am 
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I never want to see that tool Buckley in Navy Blue. I dont care how good he MAY be. That would make me sick to the stomach.

Almost as bad as Mick Martyn in Navy Blue :grin:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:52 am 
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Synbad wrote:
titimus wrote:
Ideally? I'd love to see Pratt's method of employing 'the best' put in practice and a bucket load of money thrown at Neil Craig.

He has a very high win ratio and this year against a tonne of media pressure turned around the performance of the Crows to be one of the dominant sides of the comp - whilst blooding youngsters at the same time.

He has also operated with what I'd suggest is an average forward line during his tenure at the Crows, but he has consistently managed to wring the best out of his players and importantly seems to be educating them along the way - they seem well drilled and work together as a team.





Craig and Adelaide are what a modern day footy club are all about.


They are a military training facility... and a factory for manufacturing footballers...

They all understand what theyre doing.
(Even the kids)
Their older players are evergreen.
(Beautifully trained)
Skills are exceptional and is a coach that extracts maximum out of individuals and the team as a collective...

Thats where we have to be if were going to be succesful....



But you cant become that unless you think outside of the square and you appoint exceotional people into roles.





Adelaide have also employed people in their coaching staff from the "old boys network".

Mark Bickley - no coaching experience - straight into a coaching role.
Ben Hart - defensive coach with no prior coaching experience that I know of.


They did pick up Viney though who was there with Hawthorn in 2008.


I don't think Adelaide have been as thoroughly professional as one would think, based on Hart, Bickley, but saying that...looking at our coaches - only one of them has come from a premiership winning coaching background - Darren Harris. He was there with the Eagles and with West Perth 2003.


Mark Riley was an assistant coach with Claremont in their 1993 premiership team, but it isn't the same thing as AFL premiership experience.


I must admit I agree with your principle of having coaches on our roster who have been involved in premiership success or more experience.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 pm 
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Of course having a Premiership player as your coach should be discounted, not to mention a few old boys having played in our Premiership with you in assistant roles.

Apparently only Carlton tanks and gives jobs to the boys.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:05 pm 
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Of course having a Premiership player as your coach should be discounted, not to mention a few old boys having played in our Premiership with you in assistant roles.

Apparently only Carlton tanks and gives jobs to the boys.




we have a long list of un qualified people on the helm that are old boys.

Are you seriously suggesting Adelaide trail behind Carlton in preparation and structures on how a modern AFL football club should be run????

They are a club with their shit together.....

They havent had early picks... they have had a few picks blow up in their faces.. and yet... theyre still manufacturing well drilled .. well oiled.. and well organised footy teams each week.

Their older players perform....
Their younger players fit in and come along...

They do ok with the list and draft picks they have had.

You cannot compare that to kids on our list stagnating and older players not being motivated...


Its not luck... its not magic.... its knowhow...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:04 pm 
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Wasn't Adelaide the same team that HAD to hire a coach from SA or the membership would go ballistic?

They certainly do have their act together.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:25 pm 
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Reading certain posters - I am reminded of this one....... lighten up everybody we will play finals this year - just hope it wont be interstate (big chance it will be).

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:31 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
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Of course having a Premiership player as your coach should be discounted, not to mention a few old boys having played in our Premiership with you in assistant roles.

Apparently only Carlton tanks and gives jobs to the boys.




we have a long list of un qualified people on the helm that are old boys.

Are you seriously suggesting Adelaide trail behind Carlton in preparation and structures on how a modern AFL football club should be run????

They are a club with their shit together.....

They havent had early picks... they have had a few picks blow up in their faces.. and yet... theyre still manufacturing well drilled .. well oiled.. and well organised footy teams each week.

Their older players perform....
Their younger players fit in and come along...

They do ok with the list and draft picks they have had.

You cannot compare that to kids on our list stagnating and older players not being motivated...


Its not luck... its not magic.... its knowhow...




They are also the richest club in the league with a hell of a lot of resources behind them

Lets not over look that insignificant little fact - We were on our knees 3-4 years ago still climbing out of the mire

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