if he is passed it... i don't think this would be a bad idea.

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dane's trolling again

look I'm a big Lance and Kouta fan but when your time is up it is up.

Nothing worse than seeing a player play that one season to many

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i dont try to understand you dane.. if i did.. i would be more like you and less like me..

all i know is he is washed up and has been for years.. and only the dreamers believed he was what we need in this era...

Nothing wrong with dreaming as long as sometimes you wake up!!

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i just hope that if lance does not play next year, that he is not picked up by another club. He has been a loyal servant in a terrible time for the club and deserves much better than what is been dished out to him by some people who supposedly love the club

Nobody is denying any of that, Duke, but we can't pick a team on sentiment or Braddles would have played another year at least. All good players have to go sometime. Sometimes it isn't pretty. I remember when Big Nick's time was up. Some thought he had played a year too many. Some wanted him to play forever. It's the law of the jungle. if you can't keep up, goodnight and thanks for coming. That's where Lance is at and there is no denying it.

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What about at the end of 2003 season where he wanted to join Hamill at St.kilda and met up with him and Grant Thomas. Big red was pretty keen to get out of carlton at the time - the only reason why the deal didn't come through was that the saints didnt have the room in the cap to cater for his salary.

Buzza it is a two way relationship. The club I believe has paid over the odds for his output which hopefully he and his manager recognise. Perhaps his lack of willingness to present himself in appropriate condition to several of the clubs pre season campaigns has finally caught up with him. When you start from a long way back you put more strain on your body to catch up.

Garry Lyon had a real go at Ackland as well on the Channel Nine show. Highlighted his lack of effort at a marking contest in our defence, I think it was.

Others are starting to see it, too.

I'm realistic enough to know that BS, and yes, some are denying his commitment and leadership around the club, that's why I responded. My beef is with the people who sink the boots into this bloke who has been nothing but loyal and committed to the club.

The time when Lance went investigating the move to st kilda was when he was offered up via the media for trade very publicly. If we remember Fev also went searching around Punt Rd for a new home and these same people are happy for him to do that .

I think the personal abuse and anger toward him says more about the personality of the posters than it does about the man himself.

Just off topic on Ackland, Friday night really pissed me off, sometimes he just stood there and did nothing in a ruck contest because he was out of position. Taylor and Brown were willing to dive in hard for the ball and use their big bodies time and time again on our small blokes while Ackland was watching. Santy should smack him in the mouth again, just for all the TC's.


As for Lance, I've said it before, if he is unfit and cannot train then he should not play.
A fit and in form Lance is slow enough on the field as it is but a injured Lance is slower again.

It aint personal. Its about a player who cant play the modern game no more. If his knee was right then he would still be a liability. He is also average in height as lists have got taller and players have become more athletic. We all have a used by date in life pursuits. Its a harsh reality of life.

Lances problem is he was unprofessional from day 1.
He refused to do everything possible to keep his body in check.
Hois lack of professionalism may or may noy have contributed to his problem.. but the fact remains... Lances body was no temple!

And on the kind of money he was on... he had to realise that his first priority was to himself as the his pay was at some stage dependent on his output!

The other problem i have is with the club making mistake after mistake with Lance and others as far as list management is concerned!

Having Lance around costs a kid a game .. which transpires into this club developing at a much slower rate.

The word is Pagan thinks Bower is NO GOOD!!!(Just like he thought Simmo was no good when he was being hidden for campo)

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No one will pick up Lance on the open market.

We already tried that one - and no takers.

Face it, Duke - he is yesterday's man.

The greatest footballers of all time have to retire at some stage, otherwise Leigh Matthews would still be running around for Hawthorn, instead of coaching the Lions right now.

Lance's time is up, and the club has to be bigger than the individual.

1999 and 2000 are a very long time ago...

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Both are injured if your going to name examples at least get it right. Grant is an automatic selection in the current bulldogs team.

Lance deserves the respect of the Carlton supports a decision will be made a the end of the year by Lance and the club.

King was dropped because he was playing shit and a young kid was developing in Blake who has been given a go and is thriving.
Lance gets a game and Kennedy and Hartlett dont

Grant could have played seniors straight away but has to earn his stripes and will play at least 3 games. Kouta walks straight in.

Get the picture

Not sure about how accurate tthe word is.

Simmo's contract was extended after he had his triple bagel games. I think if we go back and look at old posts, there would have been a few doubts at that time about him. Not because he wasn't a good footballer, but because there were issues about his ability to put meat on his bones sufficiently to play the game at the elite level.

See, it's a 2 way street. As with Lance, it aint personal. The question was whether he'd cut it in the big time. But, as I say, his contract was reneweed, and he was given the opportunity to make it at AFL level.

There seem to be concerns over Bower's willingness to play as instructed. It isn't too much to ask of a defender that he stays on his man, is it? Unfortunately, if he's going to refuse to play as directed, there really is a big issue.

On SEN, Dermie Ox and Bucks were discussing Adelaide. The comment was made that Craig rated the team's performances by how well they stuck to the roles assigneed to them. So much so that they are called the Crow-bots. Roos also has his expectations. Don't go down this line of saying that players should be allowed to play their "natural game". In a team sport, that's nonsense.

I hope that every effort will be made to bring him around. But if he's uncoachable, it might be best to trade him back to WA rather than have a loose cannon like Taz or Farmer to deal with later.

Imagine a backline with Bower, Houla and Scotto in it. You wouldn't know who was on whom, so you'd never be able to blame any of them when goals are kicked.

Well maybe the Adelaide players under Ayres had the same problem?
One common factor in Denis' stay at Carlton.. is the continal lament that players arent doing what theyre asked to do.
Maybe that is a reflection on Denis and not the players.
Maybe the message is confusing and maybe the gameplan is [REDACTED] and doesnt work.
The players at times dont understand what to do under certain circumstances.

Thats why Denis MUST GO!!!... he cant extract it out of the players over a long period of time..


Its either that or we have a recruting staff and MC that are bringing the wrong players to the club.

Either way by the process of elimination it must start with Denis...!!!

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I don't think anyone is 'celebrating' his injury/unfit state.
More like people are upset & disappointed with Lances situation ...and moreso the club for persisting with an unfit Lance and making him Captain, thus making the current situation more difficult for his supporters.

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Which part of continually turning up excessively overweight to pre season training makes you "committed" and showing "leadership" to your club?

Thank goodness you didn't call anyone 'ignorant'.

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