Clearances and hard ball gets?
Hand ball receives?
Contested stuff???
Assists?

I thought last year against Adelaide he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck personally

I dont know PJ... all i know is i doubt he will be offered what he would like.
I doubt he is worth much for any other team.
Who will pay Campo more than say 220k .. 30 going on 31 years old?
Is he worth more than say Caracella or any other just above average midfielder/ flanker??
Carlton will make room for what we need.
Campo is not a priority nor the future of where the club is going.

Harsh reality, but probably an accurate one from an outsiders persepctive.

Certainly needs to pull the finger out and start acting, and playing, like the leader he is meant to be.

What's his relationship like with Denis?

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He does need to lift- shit in 2000 he was a standout wasnt he.

I think Denis would compare him with what he had at north and shake his head.. thats my belief.. but hey.. who am i ???

Im biased...
Campo is the envy of all the other clubs.

Imagine of StKilda had Campo and not Harvey (aged 33 last year??) he would have led their young midfield better...

Campo = Gun= 600k per annum.`= loyalty = leadership

Synbad, you forgot the

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since 2002.

campo contributing to comeback wins:
Last year versus Adelaide, had a huge last quarter, 29 possies, 2 goals for the game.

campo starring in massive losses:
30 disposals in a 118 point loss to West Coast in R15 2003
26 disposals in a 91 point loss to St Kilda in R20 2003
26 disposals in a 124 point loss to Kangaroos in R22 2003

campo average possies in losses = 21
campo average possies in wins = 20

in games lost by > 100 points = 24 possies average

bugger all difference there, hardly a downhill skier. Give the bloke some credit.

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hard ball gets and clearances?

...and yes we know Campo gets stats.. he runs behind a first year player and says "here!"

talking about hard ball gets and clearances.

Jarusa thats the problem with statistics.They dont tell you the full story.
When Stevens plays footy he plays footy....he is a professional and doesnt get sucked in byu the opposition. Nor does he complain .
(Just watch Hollands hit on him and see how he reacted when he hit the ground. He was up before Holland and ran to the contest)

HUUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE!

Campo is a showpony. downhill overpaid skier, undisciplined and leader only because of the amount of years hes been at the club.

I think Denis will sort him out at the end of the year.

Hard ball gets. Hahahaha, campo has never been that type of player. Teams need some outside players, a team full of inside players would simply not work.

You wanted examples of times he played well in losing teams and starred when the team came from behind. You got four examples in just the last 2 years, but you choose to ignore it hoping it will just go away.

You are trying your hardest to squirm out of this one synbad, but calling campo a lazy down hill skier is harsh. Most of what you say is intelligent, but you get things wrong every now and then, just like the rest of us mere mortals.

Even Chairman Mao could admit he was wrong 30% of the time.

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Thank you Jarusa re the stats, It would seem that Campo is at his best when the pressure is really on, seems to indicate a person who leads by getting the ball, also laying the most tackles in 2004 would indicate that Campo is not afraid to mix it with the opposition either.

Of course the other thing Synbad is happily ignoring is that Campo has now taken two pay cuts to stay with the team over the past two years.

Would I like more from Campo, yes I would but given the first three games but he is not on his Pat Malone there.

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No paycuts .. just deferals.
Look BM and Jarusa.. just to set your mind at ease about how much the MC value the services of the great man(Campo).. a hint will be when they will get around to organising his contract. If they do it prior to the home and away it means he cant be traded away.
My guess is they will allow the champion among champions to go test the market prior to draft week.
Should be interesting eh?
One thing is for sure.. he wont ever need to take contract paycuts (deferals) ever again....

Campo is an ok player.. i never said he was crap!I said he is the most overated player on our list.. and his problem is he actually believes he is a gun and he doesnt have to do all the things other great midfielders do.. or lesser midfielders.
I think Campo should be in the next Uncle Toby commercial. "Kick it to me.. kick it to me...!!!"


Oh and Mark??He might not be on his "Pat Maloney "there.. great expression ill be using it for sure....

... but if you have a look at the other leaders... Kouta and Stevens.. and even Barnaby... they cant be faulted.
Plus 95% of the others players playing footy dont get 2 million over 4 years...thats sometimes reserved for champions like Hamill and Campo.
Guns of the game... household names.
At least Hamill can lead....

Ahhh... the best way to keep Synbad around....

is to have a pro-Campo discussion!

Nothing like letting market forces set the price of a good or service.


I reckon Synbad is right - and the MC will let market forces set the price for Campo re: next contract negotiation, much the same as Whitnall this year.

Nothing like a bit of pull your finger out during the last year of a contract - Kevin Sheedy has been doing it for 25 years.

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Were almost out of the contract woods at the end of this year molesy.. and you dont think im BIG KEV EXCITED?!!?!?!?!??!?!?..

One of the things holding us back has been our ridiculous overblown contracts. In some ways thats worse than the draft pick penalties.

Oh you can bet Denis and the CEO are just counting down the days.
I have no problem with Campo if he was on $250 k ... but he is not... so i expect him to play like a half a million dollar player that he has averaged over 4 years.

He held the club to ransom for it
go work your little butt off for it Campo should take a page out of Stevos book and run hard, present and get up without complaining when he gets knocked.
Campo really believes that he should never be tagged and he should be allowed to run around without any hassle.

He is of no use up on the stands... and the $60k he will collect while he is out for 2 weeks could pay for a new wing at the Royal Childrens Hospital.

As much as I HATE to do it , I party agree with Synbad here but more with Campo's on field leadership role. He is our vice captain and needs to lead by example. Look at Kouta, tagged week in week out and can't ever remember him losing his cool (except in the 95 grand final). Campo needs to lift and support Stevo in the midfield.

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I am pretty happy with that. Reckon that is the most I could ever get out of you Synbad.

wrt your other arguments, it is pretty obvious campo is being overpaid at the moment, but that will sort itself out at years end. The trend in the AFL at the moment is that players are expected more and more to take reduced contracts when negotiated when they get on in age, usually 30+ (unless they are superstars). This is what will happen with campo, if he has any brains he will realise he will be playing for a lot less money next year, no matter who he plays for. Meaning if he is sensible he will finish his career at Carlton.

There are no real revelations there.

You know that the only thing I was holding you up on were your lazy/downhill skier comments. Trying to confuse the matter by introducing new arguments is not fooling anyone.

getting O/T - These sorts of techniques are what I love about you, any kids out there doing debating at high school should read through all of Synbad's posts, every trick in the book is there to see. You are the master.

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I dont view these stats as a positive.
Perhaps they tell us that when Campo puts time into his opponent and shows accountability, we win.
Its all well to get 30 possessions when we get flogged by 20 goals but how did his opponent go?
Did his opponent contribute significantly to a huge win?

How many stats a player recieves in a loss are only significant if we know how his opponent fared.

As an example Jarrad Crouch was in Sydneys best players on the weekend and contributed to a great win over Brisbane.

He had 6 possessions.

I'm not knocking your stats Jarusa.
As you know I'm a bit of a stats lover and love reading your stuff but we're not getting a true indication out of these ones.

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Jarusa, but i really, truly honestly believe Campo is a downhill lazy skier.
Seriously.

He can be good in the odd game when its tough but bloody hell, i truly believe for every game he tries his guts out there are a heap he doesnt and gets caught up in the rubbish because its easier.
In the rooms he would go in and say i was smashed and show them all his bruises... see its easier to have a running war with some shit tagger. (Thats why people are given tagging roles cos they cant do anything else) than it is to do what Stevo does.. get smashed!! get up and continue... run .. run.. run... get inside and try and win a clearance and send the ball forward to our advantage.

I reckon Murph is an ok player too.. really skilful and on his day damaging.. but he too is a downhill skier. Sometimes though he does try and concentrate on his footy.. and again its alot easier to get into arguments on the field with other players and umpires than it is to concentrate on winning a game of footy.

Courage is about working through a game when youre being beaten and smashed. (Stevo)
Laziness is when you turn your attention elsewhere so you dont have to do what Stevo does.