Agree - the injuries have hurt us a lot. The list changes last year as well. Have mentioned this previously but that is part of the problem, not the entire issue. It’s no coincidence we beat Melbourne. Their one of a few teams still playing a contested game.

I appreciate you are busy and have heaps of work on, and for that reason I appreciate the effort you make to share your views. It takes effort, and we should all appreciate effort.

I aren't pressed for time like most, and don't have an attention disorder like some who can't read more than a line or two, before they are full, (different issue to being too busy) and I don't mind spending my idle time on Carlton. I retired just before I turned 55yo, because I thought we were going to play Finals every year after the 66 game rebuild, and I can't ski and surf and travel all the time. You know what they say about too much of a good thing.

You are dogmatic. Its all or nothing for you. I accept that, so don't be offended. What is, is.

Point 2. Its all on Voss?

You like to dismiss any other possibility for failure but yours....injuries? No. Skills? No. Culture? No. Dick pics? No. Loser mentality? No. Assistant coaches? No. Development? No and there's many more logical reasons for our failings than the ones I just mentioned, that you may have mentioned and others have mentioned since Newman and Smith had season ending injuries in preseason, just after Sayers showed us his dick....TDK the elephant in the room? Huge issue.

We are all on the same side. We all want answers. Some think they are right and everyone else is wrong. None of us really know the exact reasons for our failure.

If you keep ignoring all possibilities that's fine, but don't have a go at those who do take the time to want to discuss possibilities. You don't win Flags because someone said you would. The ducks have to line up. A lot has to go right. We all know that.

Point 1 and 3. We are talking about Finals bound teams when we allude to skills, not bottom 8 comparisons. We hear commentators telling you weekly "Carlton's skills are the worst in the comp"..."how is a game plan to work when you turnover the ball like that..." Our skills, even from some of our better skilled players have been terrible this year. Cerra may have been hampered from the work he had done in Dubai for his hammies but may be better again next year.....same team, same coach as 2023 2024 and 2025....why blame the coach all of the sudden for player skills, when it wasnt such an issue in 2023, and first half of 2024? Doesn't suit your Agenda?

point 4, Are you admitting List Mgt has been an issue or not? Between SOS and Austin 10 small forwards selected, and this year we have Gresham on our radar. WE don't have good small forwards and no outside run, and this year, that can be put down to missing Cottrell and Cincotta who could run the lines, Jagga Smith who was Top 3 draftee and killing it in the preseason, like Fantasia was...I saw it with my own eyes. Add our best skilled runners Walsh and Elijah to the missing in 2025 list, and you don't think injury had an impact on our run? Acres started off the season injured and has been injured all year, played one game....injury hindered him too.

So you see what you see and you can ignore whatever you want, but for those who look for other reasons for our demise this year, othert than singling out the coach, don't bag us...go with the flow. Weight the possibility, don't discard it, especially when its backed by empiricals. Did I mention Mental issues that stopped players playing their best? That's an injury too.

Was Coleman medaliist fit and firing in the first 15 rounds this year? I'm talking the Charlie variety. Ditto question for our other Coleman mnedallist.

Do you think Cripps will get even half the Brownlow votes he earned last year? Vossys fault?

Maaaaaaaaate....come on. I agree with much o what you post, love the good bits, don't like the ignorance and eyes and gun fixed on one problem when the smart money is on many more reasons than just the the coach and what he can't control. I'm not fixed on the coach. What will be will be, but I'm going to look at what players do and dont do and call it for what it is they can control.

We have issues. Plenty of them. They are fixable, and I dont think we are that far away, but we have to identify them. I'm sure Wright has cat his net of enquiry to every corner of the club. It would be remiss of him to say its just the coach, and get a 6th coach in 11 years, or 3rd coach in 5. That's crazy stuff. Keep doing the same thing and looking for a different result.

One thing we can all agree on is Change is necessary, and some things have to change for us to improve next year. Change is inevitable.

I bet we have around 10 changes to the list. Maybe 8, maybe 12. They will happen for good reason. We need to keep improving the List.

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That's the spirit surrey. No one is saying its one problem, but you come across as if its all on Vossy. See your point 2. We didnt make the Finals this year because of Vossy, but we did make the finals the previous 2 years under Vossy.

There's other problems at play. THis is what we want to put a stop to. The coach is being looked after by Wright. Nothing we say will change that. Holy Jesus I wonder what happens if Wright keeps Voss? I'm sure there will be a pile on on Wright.

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