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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:48 am 
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One of the commentators said "Blues less a corridor team under Barker than they were under Malthouse"

Can any of the forum stats aficionados confirm this?



i have no stats at all to back me up, but i thought we used the corridor more in the first two games before the bye, then less since.

the big noticeable changes from barker to mick i've seen are:

we're no longer obsessed with tagging and eyes only for the other player. when players are being told to zone, it only takes one tag/ run-with player to break up the whole zone. under mick, he was inexplicably asking the players to zone, yet having no less than 5 or 6 tags all game long running with players, not filling space. that just won't ever work, even if you had hawthorn's list.

we're playing on more. it's like the players have been given the 4-second rule (except for carrots, who kills this notion). have the ball for 4 seconds or less and get rid of it, unless you're running forward with the pill (or you're carrots).

and obviously because the zone is more effective and players aren't in two minds of eyes-only for their tag (and ignoring all footy instincts in the process) we're now able to be in positions to tackle and pressure the opponent. hence our tackle numbers have doubled under the new structure.

it's a modern game and mick was toxic, outdated and way past it. eddie and collingwood knew it. sticks and mathieson were too stubborn and far too stupid to see the patently obvious.

barker has us playing modern footy and in the process he's instilling belief into the playing group that they can in fact play the game.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:12 am 
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it's a modern game and mick was toxic, outdated and way past it. eddie and collingwood knew it. sticks and mathieson were too stubborn and far too stupid to see the patently obvious


I agree with everything you said, but just made the obvious more obvious. Of course we went and hired a coach who was past it, living in a bygone era, because that perfectly describes who was running the club at the time.

Viva the 21st century!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:24 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:26 am 
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camelboy wrote:
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it's a modern game and mick was toxic, outdated and way past it. eddie and collingwood knew it. sticks and mathieson were too stubborn and far too stupid to see the patently obvious


I agree with everything you said, but just made the obvious more obvious. Of course we went and hired a coach who was past it, living in a bygone era, because that perfectly describes who was running the club at the time.

Viva the 21st century!

That reminds me, almost le tour time again.;)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:13 am 
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Not sure yet of his gameday tactical abilities, maybe Blue Vain can add something there, but I really like his demeanour, his openness to change, his simple message of what basics are required.

I think the players understand and accept where he draws the line... and that's a huge thing.


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I thought he was very good again last night

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:09 pm 
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Very defensive game plan last night. Did not like.
We played players behind the ball and into Doggies hands. i thought we were beaten in the box.


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Very defensive game plan last night. Did not like.
We played players behind the ball and into Doggies hands. i thought we were beaten in the box.


I think our guys kicking put the ball in the Doggies hands.

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We were always going to get stretched by their forward/midfield structure with just one genuine tall defender, so why didn't we drop Henderson back until late in the third quarter?

He's an extremely good decision maker with the football in his hands, and it releases another runner in any given counter attack, not to mention it opens up our forward line when we have up to 4 talls operating in there in the current structure. Just bizarre.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:39 pm 
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We were always going to get stretched by their forward/midfield structure with just one genuine tall defender, so why didn't we drop Henderson back until late in the third quarter?.


We held them to 64 points, I'm not sure they had us that stretched defensively.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:19 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
We were always going to get stretched by their forward/midfield structure with just one genuine tall defender, so why didn't we drop Henderson back until late in the third quarter?.


We held them to 64 points, I'm not sure they had us that stretched defensively.

On an average day in front of goal, and all else being equal, that scoreline is 13.6.84 - 11.7.73, but I suspect they would have torched us in the third quarter if they'd kicked straight.

We were never competitive against the height of Grant (remember him) and Bontempelli as well as the trickery of Stringer. Even Redpath was looking imposing just for being tall. With Rowe out, we didn't respond to this at all.

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jimmae wrote:
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We were always going to get stretched by their forward/midfield structure with just one genuine tall defender, so why didn't we drop Henderson back until late in the third quarter?.


We held them to 64 points, I'm not sure they had us that stretched defensively.

On an average day in front of goal, and all else being equal, that scoreline is 13.6.84 - 11.7.73, but I suspect they would have torched us in the third quarter if they'd kicked straight.

We were never competitive against the height of Grant (remember him) and Bontempelli as well as the trickery of Stringer. Even Redpath was looking imposing just for being tall. With Rowe out, we didn't respond to this at all.


So, Barker has to win the actual defensive game (holding a top 8 running team to 64 points) he has to win the defensive game that's playing in your head?

Good luck Barks!!

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What don't you understand about 3 critical defensive mismatches?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:55 pm 
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We don't know how good barker is? We will have a better idea at the end of the year. Wins against 2 very poor sides dont tell us much. I know we only lost by 11 points but I thought we barely threatened and struggled to score and played with no system or intent going forward. Injuries before and during the game were a huge factor. This Friday night with a 6 day break , injuries against a top 6 side, will really show barker's bonafides. If we are genuinely competitive which means we push Richmond to within 4 goals, it is a good sign. If we lose by 7 plus goals, well, I would be working the selection commitee hard and taking the last 5 weeks as the motivational froth a club gets from a new coach


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What don't you understand about 3 critical defensive mismatches?


Not sure I do.

Just find it a giggle that you reject what actually happened for a result that you made up in your head.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:35 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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What don't you understand about 3 critical defensive mismatches?


Not sure I do.

Just find it a giggle that you reject what actually happened for a result that you made up in your head.

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We lost those matchups comprehensively.

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jimmae wrote:
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What don't you understand about 3 critical defensive mismatches?

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Not sure I do.

Just find it a giggle that you reject what actually happened for a result that you made up in your head.

...

We lost those matchups comprehensively.


Backlines work as a team.

Keeping the opposition to 64 points means, no matter the "match-ups", the backline was sufficiently well organised. Considering it was perfect conditions and we gave the ball back a hell of a lot, it was a good result.

Don't see ANYTHING comprehensive about your argument.

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3 marks inside 50, 2 goal assists, 1.1 and 10 inside 50s from Bont & Grant say differently?

We had 4 goal assists as a team; they were opening up the 50 arc for their team and contributing goals from the midfield.

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And yet..... we lost by only 2 goals.

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