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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:14 pm 
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I've decided Worsfold would be Mick 2.0 or Pagan 3.0


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:17 pm 
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I think Guy McKenna might be in the running. Essentially he's in the bracket of youth and development in coaching kids in early stages. He's done it for a period of time as assistant and then as senior coach. Could be a short listed candidate in as much to culster a plan or vision for the next 5 years. Watch this space.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:24 am 
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More interested in the fundamental approaches of the game plan and the coaching panel to assist in it.

Currently we have: line coaches (3), ruck coach, 2 development coaches, Wiley (coaching director/development director)

GWS have: senior assistant, line coaches, ruck coach, defensive coach (i.e. zone), 2 development coaches, academy coach; huge analysis/sports science team

Hawks: 4 assistants (structure isn't identified), ruck coach, coaching director, development director, one development coach

Port: line coaches, midfield manager (Voss), coaching director, 4 development coaches (2 playing, 1 SANFL coach)

Swans: Senior assistant, 3 assistants, ruck coach, development director, 2 development coaches, skills coach; they also have 2 opposition analysts

Pies: Senior assistant, line coaches, development director, 3 development coaches, skills coach; big analysis department

Adelaide: 4 assistants, development director, 6 development coaches (3 line, 1 reserves, 1 leadership, 1 general)

Geelong: 5 assistants, development director, 3 development coaches

Not only do we regularly lack the man power against these other structures, none of these clubs give as much power to a senior assistant as we do to Wiley. I'd be interested to see how we stack up against all other teams, but it doesn't look great against the clubs that are/have been doing well.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:56 am 
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I liken our current situation with that of Aston Villa, who are a client of mine.

One of the original Premier League teams and one with a strong legion of fans (including the Prince!) and a good history. However, the past three years they have been marred by bad management and leadership, not to mention a very negative coaching strategy (i can say that now cause he's been sacked). Plus, fans just stopped turning up and it was regularly selling out or at least 33,000. (i think it got as low as 18,000 at one point this year).

Since they've brought in Tim Sherwood, they have not only started winning again and are now safe from Relegation, but moreso, they are playing with self belief and a fresh vibe to the club. The crowds are turning up again and more importantly, corporate $$$'s are rolling back in (the corporate tickets which we have access too, we couldn't give them away at the start of the season. Now everybody wants them).

It's been a good turnaround and they're even in the FA Cup.


So, im not entirely sold on this crap that Mick should coach to the end of the year. We can turn this season around in the short term. Not saying we're gonna make the finals or anything like that, but we need the crowds back, we need to stop tarnishing this brand of ours and we need to instal some belief going forward.

There's still 15 games of footy to be played FFS!

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:17 am 
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What's the bet Carlton goes back to Ratts as they feel he has served an apprenticeship under Clarkson.

That's how [REDACTED] we are that we would go back and re-hire the guy we sacked.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:34 am 
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Bassett as coach and McKenna as an assistant. We won't have the courage to go with an untried coach.

Norwood was a basket case when Bassett arrived at the club. He knows how to win flags.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:16 am 
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bassett has got to be meh (at AFL level) at best, doesn't he? he's a defensive coach in a sanfl team, has he had head coaching experience?

i watched norwood a few weeks back on abc. they play the conservative malthouse way. it was a low scoring, dour affair, that imo wouldn't cut it in the AFL. it was just flood the stoppage, slow, chip it around and look for holes, lots of switches, hold up the play at all costs, rather than play on. then the following week they got done 113 to 32.

that flooding, conservative gameplan has been blown up by strong zonal defence outside the stoppage & contest then hard counter attacking on the spread.

does bassett have a plan B?

there's more questions about bassett than there is answers.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:35 am 
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We really do need an extensive search for a coach. I'm not in the inner sanctum but it did feel like we did do a proper search when we hired Steven Trigg then again, feels like it was more of the AFL Boys Club since we went to Gil before we hired him.

We need to get a panel together to review each prospective coach that wants to apply for the coaching job. Something like a current player from another club, an ex-player, an ex coach and someone in the media, someone who analyses footy every week. Who knows their stuff. I was thinking of having a panel of someone like Sam Mitchell from Hawthorn (current player from a successful club), Cameron Ling (Ex-player from a successful club.), David Parkin (ex coach who was very successful in his career as a coach) and someone like Jason Dunstall (someone who has played footy, who analyses footy every week and seem pretty switched on.) The only thing i am unsure of would be Sam Mitchell as he is a current player from another club, whether he would be interested in joining something like this or not, it would be worth the approach though. However i have heard him speak and he is a very intelligent footy player who is also a leader and has played in a very successful club from when they were down the bottom to when they rose to the top. Same with Cameron Ling. Obviously not everyone would like my choices but i was just putting people who i feel would be great in this current landscape.

They should look at everything when reviewing a candidate. From game plan, to communication, to development skills, to how they rate our list, what needs to be done to get us competitive and successful and also what their journey from player to prospective candidate as head coach was. It would give us an indication on how successful they were coming up through the ranks.

The coach then needs to be given everything he wants and needs to get his job done. From picking his assistants, development coaches, high performance and sports science manager, recruiters, everything. With also free from pressure to create his vision.

This is how i feel we need to approach our next coach. We need to get this right or we will be suffering continuously with mediocrity for even longer still.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:50 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/john-worsfold-endorsed-as-successor-to-mick-malthouse-by-john-elliott-on-open-mike/story-fndv8f7j-1227359127342

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“My only thought is if you are going to change your coach, you have got to get a proven one,” Elliott told Fox Footy’s Open Mike.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I wonder if those on the board have similar views...

I'm sure Hawthorn regret not appointing Wallace, Eade or Ayres and getting Clarkson instead.


Yet his son gave a sermon about Carlton needing to stop the messiah complex on radio today.


Yet his son also said that he's too busy to get involved with the board.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:41 am 
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Stewie Dew.

Dunno why, it's just gut feel.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:45 am 
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camelboy wrote:
Stewie Dew.

Dunno why, it's just gut feel.


THIS !!!

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:52 am 
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camelboy wrote:
Stewie Dew.

Dunno why, it's just gut feel.


Agree with you Camel. From Clarkson coaxing him out of retirement, to Paul Roos trying to get him out of Sydney to go over with him to Melbourne. Good feeling about him.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:25 am 
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camelboy wrote:
Stewie Dew.

Dunno why, it's just gut feel.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well-rounded coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:48 am 
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John Worsfold open to receiving coaching offers

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/j ... h4s3z.html

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:56 am 
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Braithy wrote:
1: bassett has got to be meh (at AFL level) at best, doesn't he? he's a defensive coach in a sanfl team, has he had head coaching experience?

2: i watched norwood a few weeks back on abc. they play the conservative malthouse way. it was a low scoring, dour affair, that imo wouldn't cut it in the AFL.


1: Bassett is currently an assistant coach with Essendon* after spending 4 years as head coach of Norwood and winning back to back premierships in 2012/13. He is not a defensive coach at Norwood.

2: Bassett has not worked for Norwood in approximately 20 months. Your observations from a few weeks back would therefore give no indication of his coaching style or ability.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:11 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
John Worsfold open to receiving coaching offers

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/j ... h4s3z.html


I'm open to being paid several hundred thousand dollars a year too. Where's my article?!

I'm a six-time premiership fan FFS!

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:23 pm 
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I don't know who but there has to be thorough interview process.

They have to start with and keep shortening the list from:

Voss
Worsfold
Caracella
Tudor
Harvey
Kingsley
Dew
Prescott
Kirk
Lloyd
Bolton
Nicks
Hart
Power

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Doesn't Bolton make the most sense? I would be getting the guy who has been the senior assistant to the team that has won the last 2 premierships.

I know there is more to it than that but it's a hell of a start.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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nothing makes sense at the moment

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:30 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
More interested in the fundamental approaches of the game plan and the coaching panel to assist in it.

Currently we have: line coaches (3), ruck coach, 2 development coaches, Wiley (coaching director/development director)

GWS have: senior assistant, line coaches, ruck coach, defensive coach (i.e. zone), 2 development coaches, academy coach; huge analysis/sports science team

Hawks: 4 assistants (structure isn't identified), ruck coach, coaching director, development director, one development coach

Port: line coaches, midfield manager (Voss), coaching director, 4 development coaches (2 playing, 1 SANFL coach)

Swans: Senior assistant, 3 assistants, ruck coach, development director, 2 development coaches, skills coach; they also have 2 opposition analysts

Pies: Senior assistant, line coaches, development director, 3 development coaches, skills coach; big analysis department

Adelaide: 4 assistants, development director, 6 development coaches (3 line, 1 reserves, 1 leadership, 1 general)

Geelong: 5 assistants, development director, 3 development coaches

Not only do we regularly lack the man power against these other structures, none of these clubs give as much power to a senior assistant as we do to Wiley. I'd be interested to see how we stack up against all other teams, but it doesn't look great against the clubs that are/have been doing well.


Just as an aside I heard Ryan Houlihan was being sounded out to run our father son academy (part time role).


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