What better than announcing a new sponsor leading into Christmas, oh hang on Christmas is Friday I'm tipping the rumour is true.

The worrying bit for me in all of this is that 4 players were involved in 3 separate incidents.

Poor form

Why?????....u want ur kids living in la la land, believing in the tooth fairy, Santa, and having footballers/sportspeople as their role models instead of you, their parent ?

In the last 2-3 weeks we have had the Tiger saga, Hulk Hogan's infidelity exposed, then Suliman Benn and 3 Aussies cricketers get fined, now some naughty blue boys.

Oh my the poor little kiddies will never be the same

In fact how are the kiddies ever going to cope with learning this year about a gold medal runner having both a pussy and internal testicles ?....has ur daughter asked for some testicles yet ?

Public controversy is a constant among the famous including sports ppl.

Don't worry about the kids.... they get over all this crap in the media.....they are more interested in their next bowl of ice-cream.

Quick question was the cruise put on by the club ???


Because if it was and the club didn't take steps to get the players home then the club is at fault

As an employer if you provide booze for your employees you automatically become responsible for their actions


So was it an end of year cruise organised by the club ??????

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On the Carltonfc statement Swann described the outing as a "players unofficial end of year celebrations".

Eddie fined 5K.

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Over previous seasons the club has disciplined players by fining them, given them stints in the bullants and other such measures but they've obviously not been harsh enough because we still have players in the headlines for the wrong reasons.

If the club want these headlines to disappear they must apply harsher penalties that the players will think about before they think about going out for a drink.
Fines or a stint at Preston obviously don't work.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... nine-years

You must have missed this one.

And to follow up as you suggested................

Razormaker Gillette announced Saturday it would phase him out of advertisements while he takes a break from golf, calling it a supportive move.

"As Tiger takes a break from the public eye, we will support his desire for privacy by limiting his role in our marketing programs," the company said, said without announcing a timetable for the resumption of use of the golfer's image.

AT&T, which backs the US PGA Tour operated by the golfer's foundation, said in a statement, "We are presently evaluating our ongoing relationship with him."

So far, most of Woods' ad sponsors are standing by him -- but The Nielsen Company found that despite their pledges of support, television ads featuring the golfer have mostly disappeared since the controversy began on Thanksgiving weekend.

Yep he's travelling smoothly.

Regards Cazzesman

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Yep i agree, we need the playing group AS A WHOLE to fight this problem. They need to get angry at the perpetrators who continually put the club in this spot. You can only expect so much from a couple of people such as Judd and Swann.

That should be a club rule from now on. Set it in stone.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

suspend the 4 guys till round 5. No interaction with the club at all. Then they come back front the playing group and they show if they are fair dinkum or not. Then depending on how fit they have kept themselves its off to Cramer St for a while. And any more shit and its bye bye permantly.

A pack of flower.

Nup, take it out on their mates. That will hurt them more, guaranteed.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

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On the Carltonfc statement Swann described the outing as a "players unofficial end of year celebrations".

This really is a worrying statement!

Our heirachy seems to be deflecting all responsibilty on this issue.

Do they really expect us to believe that not ONE senior member of the Calton Playing Staff or Management knew of this event?

Were there any members of the Carlton Players Leadership Group participants in the Boat Cruise?

Sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I revert to my earlier comments "a bunch of well known footballers are tipped off a boat after a boozey day and our Club had no idea???"

Give me strength!!!!

And the best that Swann can come up with is "that it was an unofficial trip"

CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Why not just get Kendrick to issue a code red before transferring them off the base...

I think that the issue has been well handled by the club. The Houla and Betts incidents were stupid and just goes to show the dangers of binge drinking. I think that there are lessons to be learnt there and as a parent I think that it serves as a good example to the kids - If you drink and act the fool then nobody has any tollerance for that sort of behaviour.

As for how much damage it does to the club's image, well I am sure that there are sports marketing agencies that will have opinions either way ranging from it affects potential sponsorships through to any publicity is good publicity.

From what I read, Walker was pinged while trying to help out a mate (I am guessing this is a result of the team environment and always being there for your mates when they are in trouble) and Robbo has denied that there was an issue. It was only rumour. If his incident was reported in isolation then we would not even be commenting on this, it is only that it was presented as a "B" story on the back of the Bett's incident that it seems more sinister.

I hope that the boys have learnt their lessons and realize that even when they are on a break, their actions still come under the domain of public interest and as such will be reported. I just wish that Bett's had taken action to tell the club about his misdemeanor before it broke as a seperate story.

Enjoy the Christmas break and I hope that we will be making headlines in 2010 for our on-field actions rather than our off-field antics.


PS: Anyone with close links to the club, I would be interested to know if there is a general perception that there is a problem with alcohol related behaviour within the club, as from all reports in the training forum, everyone is firing on all fours.

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I don't know what rock you've been hiding under but to me the punishments aren't any different to what's been handed out before. Those punishments quite clearly are not working.

By all means continue to hand them out but at the same time different thought processes need to be included in the process.

Its not Judd and Swann that are going to turn this culture around, it HAS to be the entire playing group.

Its bloody harsh on the guys that do the right thing but as i see it they need to be the ones leading the charge, its such an easy thought process to believe that the Captain, Vice Captain and CEO are the ones that will make change happen. Foolish thought actually, just isn't going to happen.

A fine doesn't work, clearly missing games don't work, basically sacking a superstar doesn't work, so how about we let the perpetrators be dealt with by their unhappy and tired mates.

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Sorry Hack but that is uninformed drivel. Do you think the TAC write a 'risk factor' for 2 or 3 Collingwood players being nabbed

In your own words Yoda "why let the facts get in the way of a good story?"

Fact - 1 sponsor only has dumped Tiger - Accenture ( a biz consultancy firm)

Tag Heur - has reduced advertising while the dust settles...but check their website....something like "TAG HEUR backs Tiger Woods" is up on display ATM

Gillette also have not dumped Tiger, just pulled his ads until the dust settles.[/quote]

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... nine-years

You must have missed this one.

And to follow up as you suggested................

Razormaker Gillette announced Saturday it would phase him out of advertisements while he takes a break from golf, calling it a supportive move.

"As Tiger takes a break from the public eye, we will support his desire for privacy by limiting his role in our marketing programs," the company said, said without announcing a timetable for the resumption of use of the golfer's image.

AT&T, which backs the US PGA Tour operated by the golfer's foundation, said in a statement, "We are presently evaluating our ongoing relationship with him."

So far, most of Woods' ad sponsors are standing by him -- but The Nielsen Company found that despite their pledges of support, television ads featuring the golfer have mostly disappeared since the controversy began on Thanksgiving weekend.

Yep he's travelling smoothly.

Regards Cazzesman[/quote]

Read the GM article....the sponsorship was due to end in 09, and it is ending accordingly, they are not providing further sponsorship.
Hardly surprising whatever Tiger did as GM has had such bad financial trouble that they had to sell half the company for next to nothing recently to stay afloat.

Companies are temporarily pulling ads.....well FMD....laying low for a short time....but still Cazz.......facts are they are just pulling ads.... the facts are that he has not been dumped by most of his sponsors....whether it ties in with your story or not.

Tiger may or may not be travelling as smoothly as he would like, but your claims that all/most of his sponsors had dumped him were just plain inaccurate.

The guy still has more sponsorship $ coming his way than any other sportsman on the planet...so you need to worry more about what guys like Mitch may do to our brand than Tiger and his $billion empire having a hiccup

BTW how did Mitch go in his interview and Psych testing ?

For the 1st time you didn't trot out the usual spin "WH only recruits good kids", as you are normally quick to jump to all recruits defense....was there a problem with Mitch we chose to take a risk with when he "slipped" to #40.

You said he had a good 09....but he was found guilty of king hitting a bloke in the VFL, and now some more smoking guns in his 1st year....should be an interesting guy to follow

The fish Sticks from the head.................................

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these indiscretions are really frustrating for a few reasons, mainly due to all of the advertising around how drinking this time of year can have a negative impact, the fev issues, which were made out to be all his fault, and because it seems all other clubs are having 'feel good' stories in the papers, and we are made to look like a joke after takijng the hard line on Brendan. This is Eddies second altercation in 4 months, Hoops has been a repeat offender, I want the club to get tough on those 2, particularly as Hoops is the oldest at the club, and Eddie is supposed to be such a role model for the younger Aboriginal kids coming through.

man I really want to see Sticks, Swann and Ratts get hard on them this time. they made a huge statement with Fev, lets see them back it up and not wimp out

merry xmas al TC'ers

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I don't really care personally but I understand the impact on sponsors and some of our supporters. It needs to stop but I'm not sure that banning alcohol or punishing everyone with training sessions etc will work. Things like that have the potential to cause rifts and resentments amongst the playing group. Maybe we should look at it from another angle? Most of these incidents happen end of year when the boys are on a break. If we could work out a way for the boys to blow off steam during the year maybe they wouldn't feel the need to go overboard end of season.

On a slightly unrelated note does anyone else get the feeling we've pissed off the media somehow?

It's obviously a newsworthy story by today's standards but there's a few stories out there about other clubs/players that they don't seem to be pursuing with the same vigour.

Yes I do need to worry about what guys like Mitch may do to our brand. So should all supporters. That's been my argument from the start. You appear to be the one who initially thought it will have no effect on Sponsors. ....didn’t you post.... “This incident dosn't seem to be anything extraordinary that will have a great impact on the club's perception”.
Have you had a change of heart now that two more in Eddie and Robbo are on the front page.

What is your new fixation with Robbo? Robbo is a feisty, excitable boy who has some growing up to do and not get ahead of himself. That is plain for all to see. The kid can also play footy. Why would I jump to the kids defence after he has been a silly lad. He has stuffed up and has been penalised accordingly with probably more to come.

It has been well documented he was rated at #9. He made it to #40 and was the highest rated on the list so he got picked. That’s the normal way WH has done it.

If you are trying to spin an argument atleast quote me correctly. What I said about Robbo was...
“09 wasn't a bad start for him prior to injury”. And that is true. As for king hitting a bloke (your words) I have no idea if that happened but getting reported shows he has some growing up to do as I have stated.

By all accounts his interview was impressive but I only have that 2nd hand. I have no idea about the test as I am not privy to it.

If you think the selection of Robbo was wrong then spit it out. If you are just trying the scatter gun effect to score some points with your arguments then you need to take better aim.

Regards Cazzesman

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