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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:58 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
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Daisy was the same player as he was in his first year at Carlton. Back then he had an excuse for those shocking kicks against the Pies.
What's his excuse now? Looks passed it. He's become a desperate player who gives 100% diving on the ball head first which is commendable but the result of that effort is zilch.
I couldn't pick him for round 1 based on the form I've seen thus far this season.

It most of the blame on the 5 years of mismanagement that preceeded him.

@#$%&! you Malthouse. Cant wait for Daisy and Bettsy to retire just so I don't think of that Mick Martyn guy and his 300 game record compliments of his past coach...oops I meant that egotistical flower has been Mick Malthouse who broke the coaching record and recruited one of his past players, a dud for $700K. Makes me sick to think Fisher retired on 99.


It amazes the number of posts on this forum referencing Daisy and Betts compared to the 30 dud picks pre 2013 and the dud down hill skiing game plan we used from 2008 to 2012, which was covered over by Judds brilliance. It is just so easy to blame malthouse for our current predicament instead of apportioning most of it on the 5 years of negligence that preceeded him



Again you’re right on the money
The flowers inability to kick with any direct power and distance or make any impact what so ever is the due to the fact that ratten took a wooden spooner to the finals 3 out of 5 years he coach and not to the fact that me me me micky brought every reject that eddie discarded from the gums making us his own personal dumping ground (including mighty mick)
If that wasn’t bad enough he ostracised anybody that had an ounce of assertion to go against his demented game plan and replaced them with other top up duds
Yep not micky it’s all rattens !@#$%^& fault
I’d tell you to get your hand off it or you might go blind but for some reason I think on some level it might already be too late


Sheer intellectual brilliance this post. 15 years of failure due to Daisy Thomas. In which era was Cripps and bokeheurst recruited? Who started turning over the list? Malthouse had a aggrerious faults but scapegoating him is unreasonable



I don't think you even understand what point you're defending
the flowers career depleting injury and mickys influence to recruit on ridiculous terms back too ratten's era and our #1 draft picks and now we go back 15 years just to excuse micky, daisy and their absolute negative influence and effect at their time in our club

as I suspected it's too late


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:58 pm 
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This has been done to death....
Poor recruiting, development and list management coupled with a board that cant run a football club


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:47 pm 
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Well done Wookinator.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:08 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:38 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Daisy was the same player as he was in his first year at Carlton. Back then he had an excuse for those shocking kicks against the Pies.
What's his excuse now? Looks passed it. He's become a desperate player who gives 100% diving on the ball head first which is commendable but the result of that effort is zilch.
I couldn't pick him for round 1 based on the form I've seen thus far this season.

It most of the blame on the 5 years of mismanagement that preceeded him.

@#$%&! you Malthouse. Cant wait for Daisy and Bettsy to retire just so I don't think of that Mick Martyn guy and his 300 game record compliments of his past coach...oops I meant that egotistical flower has been Mick Malthouse who broke the coaching record and recruited one of his past players, a dud for $700K. Makes me sick to think Fisher retired on 99.


It amazes the number of posts on this forum referencing Daisy and Betts compared to the 30 dud picks pre 2013 and the dud down hill skiing game plan we used from 2008 to 2012, which was covered over by Judds brilliance. It is just so easy to blame malthouse for our current predicament instead of apportioning most of it on the 5 years of negligence that preceeded him


One week at a time Michael.
I'm referring to the now and how current examples of Mick's brilliance still haunt me.
The previous decade is another story.
I'm questioning Daisy's 'old' injury, rubber stamped by some doctor the club uses (?) and Mick Malthouse, and its relevance to our current fortunes.
Its not Daisy's fault, but he is taking up $700K in salary for the next 21 months, moving forward.

Don't you think that is relevant for this week, our current dilemma and fortunes for the next 2 seasons?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:42 pm 
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verbs wrote:
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Was bought up on Fox Footy the other night that none of our first round picks from 2008 to 2012 are still in our list which shows how poor our drafting, development and culture was. Which is why we have had to trade in heaps of blokes in the 21-24 age bracket the last 2 years.


Yep, we made an absolute mess of it!!!


Not completely.

We got over 100 games out of Yarran and traded Menzel off before his career has even begun.

Of the trio of Lucas, Watson and Bootsma, only Bootsma didn't make the best 22 under 18 players in the country. Not the best choices as it turned out, but Bootsma aside, sound theory behind their recruitment.


Surely u can't be happy getting 100 games from a bloke who was a pick 6??

I know hindsight is always a wonderful thing and that's why I wrote development and culture as well as drafting


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:34 pm 
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In the end though we are paying minimum salary cap.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:25 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
This is my 40th season supporting the mighty blues and this is the worst forward line I have seen during that time.


I'd agree with that, unfortunately.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:05 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
This is my 40th season supporting the mighty blues and this is the worst forward line I have seen during that time.


I have been around a bit longer & I can remember 1964 (our centenary year) wasn't too flash

Ian Nankervis (a well known unknown) won our goal kicking with 18 sausage rolls

I like many others wonder who the @#$%&! is going to kick our goals this season

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:45 pm 
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I must say I was very excited by the form of our young players 22 and under. Cripps, kerridge, boekhurst, Graham, weitering. Looking forward to seeing what plowman and Sumner have to offer.

Excitement is tempered that we still have a ways to go. Our forward line is a big concern. If we can find ways to score well surprise a few teams.

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I must say I was very excited by the form of our young players 22 and under. Cripps, kerridge, boekhurst, Graham, weitering. Looking forward to seeing what plowman and Sumner have to offer.

Excitement is tempered that we still have a ways to go. Our forward line is a big concern. If we can find ways to score well surprise a few teams.



Plowman and Sumner can change our fortunes this year if we can ep a healthy squad on the field ie minimum injuries and suspensions.

Whilst we do have a very good core of midfielders we lack depth in that area, as well as the small forward. If Sumner lives up to the expectations when he was drafted and overcome recent foot problem and get really fit he may surprise.

Plowman hasn't blitzed in the GWS team, but he has shown signs as a kid that he will make a good AFL footballer. If Plowman can get really fit and find form, and take the next step up he will be a great swingman. Faster than Hendo, but hasn't got the runs on the board as Hendo did (despite some criticism from some supporters).

Other than those 2, and the inclusion of Murphy, I'm hoping either Bryne or Sheehan or both step up this year to give us more midfield depth.

Where are the goals going to come from? I think uncontested possessions should be the bulk of our focus and every now and then Casboult catches a few too.

Team showed a lot of improvement on 2015 in NAB 1 and 3 against last years finalists and premier.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Daisy was the same player as he was in his first year at Carlton. Back then he had an excuse for those shocking kicks against the Pies.
What's his excuse now? Looks passed it. He's become a desperate player who gives 100% diving on the ball head first which is commendable but the result of that effort is zilch.
I couldn't pick him for round 1 based on the form I've seen thus far this season.

It most of the blame on the 5 years of mismanagement that preceeded him.

@#$%&! you Malthouse. Cant wait for Daisy and Bettsy to retire just so I don't think of that Mick Martyn guy and his 300 game record compliments of his past coach...oops I meant that egotistical flower has been Mick Malthouse who broke the coaching record and recruited one of his past players, a dud for $700K. Makes me sick to think Fisher retired on 99.


It amazes the number of posts on this forum referencing Daisy and Betts compared to the 30 dud picks pre 2013 and the dud down hill skiing game plan we used from 2008 to 2012, which was covered over by Judds brilliance. It is just so easy to blame malthouse for our current predicament instead of apportioning most of it on the 5 years of negligence that preceeded him


One week at a time Michael.
I'm referring to the now and how current examples of Mick's brilliance still haunt me.
The previous decade is another story.
I'm questioning Daisy's 'old' injury, rubber stamped by some doctor the club uses (?) and Mick Malthouse, and its relevance to our current fortunes.
Its not Daisy's fault, but he is taking up $700K in salary for the next 21 months, moving forward.

Don't you think that is relevant for this week, our current dilemma and fortunes for the next 2 seasons?


No, its totally overplayed taking up 90% of the media space.
If you want to focus on key negatives that will impact longterm
I would be focussing on Kreuzers inability to play forward
Our marking ability across the ground


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