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Not one person on TC has asked for Ratten to be sacked.

That's just silly.

There have been criticisms of aspects of his coaching and that is about it.


No but people have quickly forgot where we have come from in 1 year :idea:


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So has anyone actually called for Rattens head? I must've missed the posts wanting him sacked..

Why is it such a crime here to have an opinion away from the 'company line'?


I don't think that there has been a post asking him to be sack, but there are quite a few who believe quite strongly that he should never been appointed, which you can take a little as wanting them sacked.

I have my reservations about Ratts, but I like that he is working on the most important issues first with the view of development rather than following the whims of posters on this site.

My question to the detractors of Ratts is how do you know that the players are following his instructions? How do you know how Ratts wants to develop the players? What merits does a player need to fulfill in order to get a call up to seniors?

So far most of the bagging of Ratts is peoples opinion that he's not developing the players the way that they would do it. Pagan had a saying that 90% of football is played above the shoulders, well I would say that the players state of mind is 3000% better than when Ratts took over.


Well you might think that he's doing well developing our list but it's a mixed bag from where I sit.

Some kids get to drive down the freeway (offpeak :wink: ) to the destination while others are made to take the detour on the dirt track full of potholes..

..and another thing..

..juddy said in the paper today the club has a policy that all recruits must be able to potentially play 100 games ..and Ratts is looking at Jeff White??

mixed signals!!


Juddy also said that there was almost no synergy in the place when he arrived and that it has turned around and improved dramatically so far this year.

BTW Only once you know what is asked from a player can you judge how well that player has performed. Maybe the ones driving on dirt tracks are not peforming what's been asked of them :?:


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Steve_C7 wrote:
..BTW Only once you know what is asked from a player can you judge how well that player has performed. Maybe the ones driving on dirt tracks are not peforming what's been asked of them :?:


but maybe they are performing... do you know that they're not?

sorry, but after Elliott ..and Pagan, I question things


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I would say -

Consider your GAME LIFTED Ratts& CO !!!!!!!


WELL DONE!!!!!!!

Gotta go. More footy. Later.

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Ratts is like our list - still learning.

But he did swing it around to try and win the game.

I hate to sound like Frawley, but as long as 'we learn from that', thats all I want and expect.

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Kudos to Ratts with his bold last quarter moves putting Thornton onto Brown and Bow Wow onto Bradshaw......though I doubt some on here will be willing to oblige. :P


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Na Ratts has lost me, I mean fancy putting JR on Johnstone - I mean what was he thinking, Johnstone's only like their 6th or 7th best midfeilder and we all know JR's in our best two or three at the club.

Has no idea.

Next he'll be winning games :garthp:

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It was if Brett read this forum. Well Coached, there was a plan B - a real forward line structure from the first quarter. You had a sense that Fevola comprimised his role on the coaches instruction. Houlihan and Cloke up forward. Did anyone listen to Ratts midweek interview, when he said he finds it really difficult to coach against Laidley because of his tactical smarts? It's not that Laidley is that smart. It was more that Ratten seemed reluctant to respond with some moves. What we got this week was the first sign that Ratten is willing to work on his weaknesses, learn and improve. That is all I wanted to see after being creamed on match day by Craig, Laidley and Roos. My only criticism is that Waite really is a Center Half Forward. He has an X-factor down there and we look so potent with him. That's why Carlos is so important to us moving forward.
If the club can help Ratten by recruiting him an assistant who is a match day specialist tactician- the skies the limit.- Well done Ratts


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I usually can only watch on tv...

but I did see changes made against North, just that not many of them came off. For a start, Cloke was intermittently playing forward. Waite was the loose man, then he became Hale's opponent. Wiggo started up forward, then became the sweeper on half back. Walker started on a wing, then shifted to defence. Grigg was tagging Wells, and then got freed up. That's not an exhaustive list, just some examples.

So if people want to make criticisms that the moves didn't work against North then that's fair enough... but the moves were definitely there, and were tried.


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I still really think that Waite is needed up forward. Him and Fevola would be an AWESOME team.

Cloke was good up forward, but he has been trialed there a few times this season, so it's not like Ratts hasn't thought of that idea before.

If Setanta comes back fit, we could have a backline of Bower, Thornton, Setanta, Austin & Jamo thus freeing up Waite to be CHF or FP.

It can happen.

Brown & Bradshaw
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It was if Brett read this forum. Well Coached, there was a plan B - a real forward line structure from the first quarter. You had a sense that Fevola comprimised his role on the coaches instruction. Houlihan and Cloke up forward. Did anyone listen to Ratts midweek interview, when he said he finds it really difficult to coach against Laidley because of his tactical smarts? It's not that Laidley is that smart. It was more that Ratten seemed reluctant to respond with some moves. What we got this week was the first sign that Ratten is willing to work on his weaknesses, learn and improve. That is all I wanted to see after being creamed on match day by Craig, Laidley and Roos. My only criticism is that Waite really is a Center Half Forward. He has an X-factor down there and we look so potent with him. That's why Carlos is so important to us moving forward.
If the club can help Ratten by recruiting him an assistant who is a match day specialist tactician- the skies the limit.- Well done Ratts


I love the way you praise him by bagging him, it takes a special skill to do that. :roll:


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I'll keep that in mind.
When we lose, it's because of Ratten.
When we win, it's because of you.

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HELLAS BLUE wrote:
Kudos to Ratts with his bold last quarter moves putting Thornton onto Brown and Bow Wow onto Bradshaw......though I doubt some on here will be willing to oblige. :P


I have been one of the critical ones only because we are better than most of the teams around us. Yes at the start of the year I would have taken 10 wins but as the season has progressed I really believe that on potential we are better than quite a few teams in the 8 and just outside the 8.

I suppose he has 1 more year to realise the potential and barring a horrific run with injuries a top 8 finish is the bare minimum next year.


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Michael Jezz wrote:
It was if Brett read this forum. Well Coached, there was a plan B - a real forward line structure from the first quarter. You had a sense that Fevola comprimised his role on the coaches instruction. Houlihan and Cloke up forward. Did anyone listen to Ratts midweek interview, when he said he finds it really difficult to coach against Laidley because of his tactical smarts? It's not that Laidley is that smart. It was more that Ratten seemed reluctant to respond with some moves. What we got this week was the first sign that Ratten is willing to work on his weaknesses, learn and improve. That is all I wanted to see after being creamed on match day by Craig, Laidley and Roos. My only criticism is that Waite really is a Center Half Forward. He has an X-factor down there and we look so potent with him. That's why Carlos is so important to us moving forward.
If the club can help Ratten by recruiting him an assistant who is a match day specialist tactician- the skies the limit.- Well done Ratts



Kudos for giving credit to Ratts when he does well. Pity that some of the others don't have the guts to front up when we win - Synners I'm looking at you


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The AFL puts out a terrific glossy magazine called 4 Quarters. It arrived at home the other day and there is a huge interview with Chris Judd. Extremely insightful into the man and his thoughts.

One part of a long question in relation to Brett Ratten ended with....

"What is your take on him?"

Judds reply...."He is like a football genius, and he watches games from all different angles. I reckon he'd watch just about every game played every weekend. He loves his footy; he is a real footy head. He is so consumed by footy and understands it so well"


If you can find the magazine in the newsagents buy a copy just for that interview.

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Cazzesman wrote:
The AFL puts out a terrific glossy magazine called 4 Quarters. It arrived at home the other day and there is a huge interview with Chris Judd. Extremely insightful into the man and his thoughts.

One part of a long question in relation to Brett Ratten ended with....

"What is your take on him?"

Judds reply...."He is like a football genius, and he watches games from all different angles. I reckon he'd watch just about every game played every weekend. He loves his footy; he is a real footy head. He is so consumed by footy and understands it so well"


If you can find the magazine in the newsagents buy a copy just for that interview.

Regards Cazzesman


Thanks Cazz - going to get a copy now.

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Coaching is not an easy caper - although having just come off a premiership season in my first (and only year) of coaching :wink: :lol: :P :oops: 8) - I can say that Ratts has done a fairly good job in his first true year as coach.

He has probably genuinely used it as a development year to allow some of our younger players to develop into their roles.

The main criticisms of Ratts has been the apparent lack of plan B in our game plan, our inability to crack zone defences - I think you will see a genuine improvement in that area next season as Ratts uses the coming pre-season to digest what he has seen this year and puts into effect his on strategies and plans next season.

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Its stunning to think that people think that just cos Thompson got success that we will...
... that just cos it took Hawthorn X amount of time it will all suddenly come together for us too...

The dynamics of coaching.. players...setups are all different...

You CANNOT point to someone else and pretend its all going to suddenly metamorphisise itself on you....


Every club will take a different route to success or failure....

... its your job to make things happen with what is at your own disposal and forget what happened elsewhere cos youre not them....

Ill lay off Ratts for now.. cos there isnt anything he can do today to improve our standing today....

But youd like to think things will be addressed and not just expect that they will ....

amazing..

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Cazz, I went to the newsagent and the issue they had was with Monga on the cover and no Judd article, which was the August issue.

Is this a new issue you are talking about i.e September?

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