You obviously don't know GW toooooo well. He's certainly not the sort of guy to sugarcoat anything. Very, very considered is Greg, mostly talking about him self, but also about others he has an opinion on. If he didn't honestly believe it he wouldn't say it.

Regards Cazzesman

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Cazzeman diesel however qualified isnt going to bag a mate on national tv and say he isnt up to it even if he thinks he isnt up to it. And just because he is a champion of the game doesnt mean he is right if he thinks Ratts is up to it.
Its just spin to satisfy Channel 7 viewers.

Its like the person who goes home to mum at 40 years of age because their partner has left them. Of course most mums would blame the inlaw totally. Sellers Maclure is pretty well qualified to speak on matters. He is been critical of Ratts and the club in general.


And as I have said on a few occasions people with experience in certain fields and high up the corporate deep down dont have a clue.

Look no further than George Bush . I have always said that Ratts in the long term isnt the answer. One win through half of footy in wet conditions with praise from a player who is on a freebie from the AFL and you guys are falling over yourselves in raptures. And you excuse posters like myself on being too premature in calling for ratts head.

As I have said for a long time there is too much of the old school boys club etc 95 flag heroes mentality at Carlton.
This is 2011

And the lovely irony: If it wasn't for the Swans cheating and having 19 on the field against Norf, which did actually cost North the match (it was a draw, IIRC), then these regulations wouldn't be in place.

Karma has kicked you right in the gonads, Horse.

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George Bush went home to his mum because Sellers left him after 40 years. That's why we should sakc Ratts. Makes sense to me.

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i guess that also applies to people from forums such as this

Perhaps one could mount the argument that both Ratts and GW are extremely good judges of ability and character.

Regards Cazzesman

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Bottom line is that those who work closely with Ratten are the only ones who really know his value as a coach.

He may have amazing insight in the game (as Parkin once alluded too), but the players are not quite at the level required to achieve the instructions.

In footy clubs there's a mix of 'types' in a team. Smart players, and not so smart players. Experienced players and inexperienced players. Developed players and undeveloped players. Some can look at the complexities of the great game and understand the complex directions from their coach and there's others who you have to give just basic instructions to follow because their make up doesn't allow them to evaluate complex equations or directives, or multi tasking.

I remember Sam Kekovich as our coach and I tell you I'd say 80% didn't understand what he was talking about because of the language he used and also because he was well versed with the complexities of the game and forgot that his audience were not at the same level of understanding.

No one knows better than those around Ratten whether he can coach or not. What we all know is that our team is still developing and we have important spots to fill at the 2 most important positions in the spine: CHF and CHB. I can't blame Ratts for the stage of our development nor for the missing CHB and CHF. We had the CHF but traded him for Judd. That's no ones fault. That's life.

We have to deal with what we've got...and there's a few injuries we've been hit with since round 1...and we have lost only one game, and barring 20 minutes of the game against the reigning premiers, we more than matched them...next time Kreuzer, Houla and Bower will be back. Who knows, but when we next play the Pies in 11 weeks, we may have Watson improve so much that he cements his position at CHB. Thatis out of Ratten's control, but I bet you any money he will do whatever he can to get us over the Pies and make the top 4.
That's good enough for me.

But if there's a better coach than Ratten in the waiting then by all means bring him on.
I just don't see the need for all that talk till the end of the season.
And for those who have forgotten, we are currently cemented in the top 4 after 6 rounds, and should be happy with that.

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Pretty irrelevant Mr C. His mate Sticks gets to pick the coach and he appointed Britts and then sacked him, Pagan and then sacked him and was desperate to get Voss.

Ratts will hold his job if we do well this year and will lose it if we don't. He appears to be taking far less responsibility on game day. He would have had very little idea of what was happening on Friday night, watching from the bench. We appear to have more of a coaching collective now and that is fine. It is in Brett's hands. He is extraordinarily lucky to have got the job with little experience and without the club looking beyond our locker room, and in getting a player like Judd who almost singlehandedly sets up all our victories, Ratts is looking the goods at the moment as he was this time last year and I think this year we will go on with it.

But Greg Williams is not in the inner sanctum anymore, as he said the other night. He was a great footballer, utterly singleminded and the sort of player who didn't need a coach. I don't think old team mates pushing up for each other is that relevant, and a great playing record doesn't make you a great administrator or off field judge.

Diesel wouldn't have made a great coach himself, had ordinary communication skills and was very much about himself. That didn't stop him being a super footballer.

I always remember that old moron Crackers Keenan coming up with absurdities and justifying them by quoting how many games he had played - he didn't seem to realise that having a brain the size of a pea invalidated most of what he said.

I am not suggesting for a moment that Diesel is not a massively smarter guy, but his opinion of Ratts is not relevant. As I say Ratts is a very very lucky man and now with guys like Alan Rchardson and players like Judd and a host of #1 and high picks he can make a career as a coach. Is he the best? Will he do what coaches need to do and make the team much greater than the sum of the parts? At the moment things are looking good lets hope they continue. But we only get one go at this. Judd is a once in 30 years player, and we won't ever have a better go at the draft that the last 8 years, so if we have the best coach for the job, we may sneak a flag before the GC juggernaut gets rolling in 4 years time, if we haven't we may miss the chance and have a long wait. Ratts has massive responsibility on his shoulders a do those who chose him. Things looking good so far. Top 4 this year, and then a flga chance next year. Sts are gone, Cats too old, Hawks slipped and after this year the Woods may have a dual flag hangover. 2012/3 will be our years. Lets hope we grasp them.

Rubbish. He has tactical coaches watching the game in the box whilst Ratts is in the face of players the entire game on the bench delivering a coaches message.

Is this all accurate?
How long has Sticks been president?
Is the president the only voice in appointment of a coach?
Unfortunate for Ratten to be stuck with a player like Judd who will prevent him from getting any credit for any success that may come Carlton's way this year.

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Scotto on before the game was asked about Ratten and he basically said "he's getting better as a coach" .

That's not a response you hear made by senior players about their coach very often. He then mentioned the impact Brown and Richardson have made and that the group (players and coaches) were improving together. He sounded, to me at least, quite proud of the groups improvements.

I've been unconvinced by Ratts because I just didn't think he had the presence or confidence to bring in an effective style of play, but Scotto's answers seem to suggest there is a level of solidarity in the playing and coaching group that has not existed before.

It was quite heartening.

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Regardless of friendships I'd suggest GW has abit more cred and experience in and around the Job to judge the abilities of Ratts, than the vast majority on TC. After 6 rounds in 2011 and 2010 and 2009 the facts are that the team is improving regardless of whether he was lucky to get the job or not. How far it goes no-one knows.

As for the regular comments about Judd making Ratts look better than he is, hasn't Buddy, King Carey, Gazza Snr and Jnr, Hirdy, Bucks, Vossy, Johnno Brown, Hayes, Cousins and a huge array of other Champions done the same thing for their respective Coaches. Great players makes Coaches look good. If the other 21 players didn't come out after 1/2 time I doubt Judd would beat them on his own.

As for Ratts not having an idea about what is going on because he sits on the bench.................... . I would have thought that talking to your players the moment thay come off the ground is a good way to get to the crux of the matter instantly. He can talk to the onballers and find out the who, what, when and why. He can assess the mental and physical condition of each player instantly whilst sitting next to Justin Cordy. From there he can feed that info back to the Box. If the Box get accurate feedback about the players condition then the box can better implement any tactical changes.

Now Ratts has spread the load with himself on the bench you are still critical for reasons unknown. He sits on the bench because he feels it is best for the team to get instant feedback. His new 1 on 1 style seems to be working. The players are playing with good intensity and passion I have no doubt Ratts appreance on the bench where he is free to interact has plenty to do with the success. Brown and Richardson are obiously very tactically savvy so it is a win win for the Club.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

When the coaching job was up for grabs after round 17 2007 I listed some candidates who should be looked at.

One was Alan Richardson who atleast is at the club.
the other was Brendan McCarthy who I saw first hand at Ocean Grove.
Best coach I have ever heard seen watch go about his business but because he played 80 games for Newtown as apposed to 250 for the navy blue he didnt get thought of.
Just happens to be an article in the age today about him and sums him up. He was born to coach and would be a shame if he doesnt become a senior coach at AFL level. If Ratts doesnt workiout then I would be definitely being interviewing him

Listening to Caro at laughing at how lazy and under-prepared her and other commentators offerings are re this game and Carltons/Judds performance and her insinuation we're a 1 man team.

Said she watched the wedding and only saw Foxsports highlights - completely oblivious to likes of Ellard Curnow Murph Carrotts Scotto racking up 49 tackles, 58 contested possessions for a start.

Judd was enormous but there's a few slipping under the radar who deserve a bit more respect from these so-called experts.

Just to tack onto this, I've met Greg Williams several times and have heard many stories regarding the man.

He is an honest and typically very serious man; he wouldn't go on the record and say these things about Ratten if he didn't believe them. If he felt otherwise, he would simply shy away from comment. Anyone who watched him play would probably realise this, despite his fiery temper.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

You're talking about that wannabe ABC sports show that caters to the average flower from Sydney?

That thing is a hunk of crap. It's a sports show for bandwagon types who don't bother with learning a thing about any sports. That should be obvious as soon as they let Caro weigh in on anything other than AFL.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

If Brendan McCartney was such a good candidate why didn't he get the gig at Geelong? Maybe he just wasn't up to it!?

I can't stand listening to Caro's bias against carlton and for Richmond.

Looks like Cazz is up for a scrap.. that's fine.

Our performance on Friday night was fantastic. I think we are structuring up far better than I have seen for many years and our defence is looking more cohesive. I'm a little bewildered as to why you're giving us a week by week report on Ratten when you were so keen to judge him at the end of this season.

The entire club is under no illusions as to what Ratten needs to do to get a contract extension. The fact of the matter is there are some seriously high quality coaches available at the end of this season, and our club would be derelict in their duty to its members if we don't explore every available option to ensure we have the best group of coaches available, led by the best senior coach available.

BR needs to do a hell of a lot more convincing for a far longer period of time if he is going to be the man in 12. This can only be a good thing for our footy club.

Im on record as a doubter before the season started but WANT TO GIVE HIM A FAIR GO

Greg Williams is a straight shooter he wouldnt be so strong in his support if he thinks the guy is not up to it

I agree we should wait until the end of the season to judge his performance

HOWEVER I think he cant be faulted this year so far in his performance .As Scotto says he is growing into the job.He is much more measured and assured in interviews .