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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 8:52 am 
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WOW wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Greatest disappointment was the performance of Jacksch, Wiley.
Jones wont make it
The worst performance by Carlton forward Kpps and rucks I have ever seen


Although, it's still early days, are people convinced that giving up pick 7 was the right move last year. I wasn't sure then and even more unsure now. Smacked of desperation to me .

We got pick 19 back and f@cked that pick up, so what makes you think we would do any better job at pick 7?


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 8:54 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
I fell asleep and missed the second half.

I was grateful when I woke up.

Can someone fill me in on how Ellard went after half-time?

Thanks



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.................missed easy shot for goal....................................,,.............................................. full time


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:06 am 
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I was about half a mile from the coaches box, was Edelsten really there? That is pathetic. The guys bankrupt anyway, I hope we didn't take a cheque. I have ceased to care so much that I wasn't even that angry, just amused at the garbage I had seen. It was like a training drill for the pies in the second half. Our skills have got way worse. It's like no-one knows what to expect anyone else to do. Do they ever do any drills at training? No point sacking Mick now, but clearly we should not renew his contract. We lack talent, but the talent gap is nowhere near what it appeared last night. Forget match day experience etc. You want members - play good, competitive footy. The only player who seems to want to take the game on is Buckley. Our list is comparable to Ratten's, apart from guys Mick has let go. I wasn't a Ratts fan either, but I was a fan of letting him coach another year, and then making an informed rather than panicked choice. I know a lot of the geneii on here thought another year of Ratts would do irreparable damage. Like we could be worse than this? And that Mick was the messiah (again). MLG needs to take a hard look at himself along with his committee, they have been making bad on-field calls for years. We don't need to swap the deckchairs, we need to get a new crew.

As for no-one wanting to coach us, everyone not coaching a team will want the job, but we will just go and get a big name failed coach like Voss, it's what we do.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:12 am 
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Methinks names like Voss and Ratten will start popping up in possible 'new' coaches.

We are so [REDACTED] it's not funny/


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:26 am 
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Can't believe people left at 1/2 and 3/4 time.... I was having such a good time last night that I left an hour after the game only because we got kicked out of the corporate box.
Games like that can drive people to drink....

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:50 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
You can only work so hard to look into your forward line and see no one there. Or you being stuck on the boundary line only to see it go back the the opposition down the centre. You would enjoy being a Backman for Carlton. Or how about a forward who is told to constantly push up then run out of puff running back only to have the ball kicked on his head.

How about a coach who has ripped the flair out of the team. Walker being sent back, Simmo being sent back. Getting rid of three of our leading goalkickers.

How about the 5 taggers we play in a game? Fancy Whileys first game, being asked to tag Pendulbury?

Do you want more? Would you not be a frustrated player?



well done drewgirl
some here don't get it
WTF would want to input the effort and hurt when they know it's futile
the game plan is ridiculous and ineffective
it doesn't matter who you have at your disposal the game doesn't give us a chance at posting a competitive score
it takes a lot out of wasted energy and a lot out of your body
3 years off crap that can't get us past the centre and if we do we are outnumbered and open for a counter attack
brilliant coaching


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:53 am 
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Cripps 6 tackles.

Gibbs (0!! F8cking ZERO) + Walker (one) + Murphy (two) + Judd (2) = FIVE tackles between them!

DISGRACE!


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:55 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
You can only work so hard to look into your forward line and see no one there. Or you being stuck on the boundary line only to see it go back the the opposition down the centre. You would enjoy being a Backman for Carlton. Or how about a forward who is told to constantly push up then run out of puff running back only to have the ball kicked on his head.

How about a coach who has ripped the flair out of the team. Walker being sent back, Simmo being sent back. Getting rid of three of our leading goalkickers.

How about the 5 taggers we play in a game? Fancy Whileys first game, being asked to tag Pendulbury?

Do you want more? Would you not be a frustrated player?



well done drewgirl
some here don't get it
WTF would want to input the effort and hurt when they know it's futile
the game plan is ridiculous and ineffective
it doesn't matter who you have at your disposal the game doesn't give us a chance at posting a competitive score
it takes a lot out of wasted energy and a lot out of your body
3 years off crap that can't get us past the centre and if we do we are outnumbered and open for a counter attack
brilliant coaching


I must admit I have found that frustrating as well and even mentioned it in the game preview.

Let's get some attack and taking the game on into our game. We look defensive and reactive and keep kicking around the corner and are waiting for others to do things.

IMO a major problem is we have a coach coaching for the now and a club wanting to rebuild. Mixed messages cause confusion and take away any creativity we may have.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 9:58 am 
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Mick says the buck always stops with him.


Mick says he takes full responsibility for the performance.


But that's what they all say.


Talk is cheap.


What does it mean in reality?

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:03 am 
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Buckley has the young Magpies playing like a well oiled machine. Very compact. Defensively stingy. Sydney like.
Very impressive. Will be a contender for the next decade.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:07 am 
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there should be one simple rule ... just one ... that all players must adhere too ... its a simple one, its an easy one ...

each player is to finish the game with two tackles (and that includes murphy, gibbs, judd etc..)

if you do not you do not play the following week, and will not return to the seniors until you play a game in the twos where you get a tackle a quarter ...

our tackle count was disgusting ...

it is a fundamental, it is a non negotiable and the fact we only got 40 odd when the team we played had 80 odd despite winning by 12 goals is an utter and total disgrace by own club.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:09 am 
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shit ... 2 tackles? if everyone adhered to that, we'd still finish with only 44 tackles.



make it 5 tackles per player or piss off.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:10 am 
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ScottSaunders wrote:
there should be one simple rule ... just one ... that all players must adhere too ... its a simple one, its an easy one ...

each player is to finish the game with two tackles (and that includes murphy, gibbs, judd etc..)

if you do not you do not play the following week, and will not return to the seniors until you play a game in the twos where you get a tackle a quarter ...

our tackle count was disgusting ...

it is a fundamental, it is a non negotiable and the fact we only got 40 odd when the team we played had 80 odd despite winning by 12 goals is an utter and total disgrace by own club.


No problem with their being an emphasis on tackling............a quota may not work but I would have thought that any mid that plays more than 70% of game time could reasonably be expected to get at least two tackles.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:12 am 
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ScottSaunders wrote:
there should be one simple rule ... just one ... that all players must adhere too ... its a simple one, its an easy one ...

each player is to finish the game with two tackles (and that includes murphy, gibbs, judd etc..)

if you do not you do not play the following week, and will not return to the seniors until you play a game in the twos where you get a tackle a quarter ...

our tackle count was disgusting ...

it is a fundamental, it is a non negotiable and the fact we only got 40 odd when the team we played had 80 odd despite winning by 12 goals is an utter and total disgrace by own club.


And 100+ more possessions overall means 100 more *opportunities* to tackle.

I remember a Sydney player a few years back, being interviewed post game. He kicked 3 goals. When asked about it he said "I'd much rather 3 tackles to be honest, that's what we strive for".

Says a lot.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:16 am 
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Get the ball first and you don't have to worry about tackles. I do agree with though Scott I am just afraid that some of our players will tackle each other just to get their 2 tackles.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:22 am 
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Collingwood had 7 first round draft picks missing last night. And They're not top 4.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:37 am 
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Left at 3/4 time. Already done it twice this year.

The problems are multi-dimensional, let's not kid ourselves (culture, recruiting development, messiah complex-Judd and MM come to mind, lack of honesty at the top, oligarchs, Hughes, refusal to embrace independent feedback via review, power plays that force out Mitchell, Brittain, Lyon, and Richardson, the Elliott debacle, Ratts, Pagan, MM etc etc etc etc)

Each one of the above have contributed. We have had no real wins in the last 15 years as an organisation...some glimmers, some false dawns, but primarily, a house of cards scenario.

The saddest thing for me this morning is not how barren and wasteful the last 15 years have been, but how a) the next 5 will be and b) little, if no faith I have in those organisational saboteurs who lead the club I have loved so much since I was a 7 year old living in Brunswick crying because we'd lost the '69 GF

OUR FUTURE IS BLEAK - and if rumours that we're already wooing someone for the coaching position are true, as well as ready to pounce on GWS youngsters, my flowering god, we will overtake Richmond as the once great empire that crumbled.

may not go for the remainder of the year.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:37 am 
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Braithy wrote:
what the players are doing right now is theft and vandalism. they are stealing money. outright. to be paid for that continued gutless tripe is criminal activity.

I lost count of the amount of contests we backed out of last night V collingwood. we avoided the contest, steered well clear of or deadset squibbed in the face of a collingwood player. we jogged, while they ran, we went to ground and gave up while they chased and tackled. 81 tackles to them, 49 to us. they had 140 more uncontested possessions.

the fundamental errors, handballing behind players, kicking over their heads, at their feet – from 20 metres away! not tackling, not talking, not helping their mate with a shepherd or simply telling them they're hot. the hurried, headless chook, round the body disposal, just hocking it 50 metres in the air and 15 metres forward out of blind, unmitigated panic. that is vandalism. they are defacing our jumper and everything it stands – well stood – for.

it's well past embarrassing, it's now criminal what they're doing.


the club culture and playing for the jumper, those days ended the day we drafted 3 potatoes with our back-to-back number one picks, after purposely tanking to get them. One's, perpetually injured, the other two softer than baby custard. somewhere in those draft picks and tanking, a disconnect happened where the players lost everything about what playing for Carlton is about.

and now onto our third coach since our tanking, that culture still exists and runs far deeper than at anytime before it.

... but, the players only play this half-hearted, gutless way, because they're allowed to. It's tolerated. it's now ingrained into the club so deep, we need major invasive surgery to remove it.


that botox'd Dr. idiot with all the money sitting in our coaches box, doing what exactly? We are corrupt and always have been. but, now we're a league wide laughing stock. I heard Ratten was at a restaurant last night with a group of people. Ratten was laughing like a maniac at the TV every time cfc embarrassed itself – which was often, and that was just until halftime when he left.

this is the lowest point i can remember since 1979, when i went to my first game at princess park.


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Carlton as a club, what do we need to do to turn this around?

I suggest it starts at the top. once and for all, piss off all the rich benefactors who prop up the club financially. they have single-handedly turned the club into a rich man's play thing.

I would rather go tits up and sink, never to exist again... then to exist like this. Those loathsome bastards allowed to buy their way into our club – mouth off at will, buy their way into coaching boxes, have a say in footballing dept. decisions like which coach to hire – without due process etc etc. All of that needs to stop, because until it does, we will always be this way.

Start by dismissing all of them. They are taking us under faster than we can tread water.

Once free from their burden, we can conduct internal reviews and audits. trade or delist every single leech on this team, and even if we're coming dead last for the next 2-3 seasons while we rebuild, at least we're rebuilding the right way. from ground zero.

Great post. Agree wholeheartedly.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:38 am 
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:46 am 
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If you think last nights performance was bad, the WORST is yet to come.

And its not losses like lasts nights I'm talking about.

The really really bad performances are going to come towards the end of the season.

When this team of over paid privileged spoilt brats posing as footballers pull their collective fingers out ONLY to secure next season salaries.

This is the scam. This is the con-job they've been pulling season after season.

Mark my words, you watch these leeches lift their game come seasons end and finish the season off on a "high note"

Judd was all but out the door. Then towards the end of last season he saw "signs" things were starting to come together.

So he decided to give it another run. I bet he feels like he got duped by these professional posers good and proper.

Case in point, Bryce Gibbs pulls probably the best season I've seen him play, which just so happened to coincide with his contract negotiations.

He secures himself a nice lucrative deal ...

Did anyone watch him last night?

This is paramount to cancer in the club bodily.

And like cancer, it spreads.



Its too late to turn it around. I don't want it to be turned around. Its like a cancer saying "okay I'll play nice, please don't cut me out"

Enough. Its time to chop those who don't perform. Not from here on in, no. Now!

Season after season, time, money, the best of care and training.

Time is up. Get out.



We have selfish self-centered egotistical posers in our ranks. They know exactly what to do. They train well. May even be "good blokes" around the club.

They can "just do enough" to keep their lucrative salaries and pick and choose when to "lift their game" as needed.

Last nights performance has proven to me, without a shadow of doubt, there is absolutely no RESPECT for the coach, the club, the supporters, the jumper and its proud history.

Playing for Carlton is a means to an end and nothing more.

Don't be surprised as the season progresses to watch the familiar professional posers lift their game when it matters most - TO THEM! - not the club, not the fans, but themselves.

Mark my words, the team we watched disgrace our club last night will magically disappear by seasons end.

They'll secure their spot in the list, and revert back to half arsed efforts and who gives a shit, I'm getting paid and that's all that matters ...


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