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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 4:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:09 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Who turned over 25 players?- Mick Malthouse


Big @#$%&! deal. Everyone turns over rookies.

The reality is 21 of our current 38 senior listed players were already at the club when Mick came. 21!
Compare that to most other clubs in the AFL and sadly for you, it's nothing special.
If anything, we've turned over less players than most.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:50 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
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We need to follow the approach St Kilda are taking - do we have the courage and patience to do this? I doubt it.



We have had that approach since 2013 draft. Only draft pick we sacrificed was pick 46 for Jones
Docherty was the pick with the Hampson swap and he was 20 anyway
Everitt and 39(giles) for pick 31
2013 draft the previous administration gave hacks multi year contracts so we only had 3 picks.

The mass of our supporters get hypnotised by a combination of Herald Sun Propaganda and Trigg & La Giudace's pushing the blam onto the coach

Who went to the board in October 2013 and told them the list needed turning over? - Mick Malthouse
Who turned over 25 players?- Mick Malthouse
The rebuild strategy has been apprehended by Trigg after Malthouse had commenced its implimentation
Malthouse and I would add Trigg and the club have the patience. The supporters, who when surveyed demand no quick fixes, then turn on the club and coach based on immediate win loss ratios
Next year we will have a new coach and we will be cheering because he is likely to produce half a dozen wins on the back of smith, cripps, buckley, graham, bokeheurst, sheehan, byrnes increased fitness and experience. The assessment of coaching performance at Carlton is grounded in subjective perception and personal agenda rather than the reality of the playing list's capacity and objective reasoning


So who brought in Thomas, Jones, Tutt & Dick and put them on contracts that will restrict our recruiting over the next few years?

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:06 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Who turned over 25 players?- Mick Malthouse


Big @#$%&! deal. Everyone turns over rookies.

The reality is 21 of our current 38 senior listed players were already at the club when Mick came. 21!
Compare that to most other clubs in the AFL and sadly for you, it's nothing special.
If anything, we've turned over less players than most.


Yes, another use of simplistic statistics. When you look behind the 21 players from the Ratten era, they are hardly superstars and support the argument that it is a talent problem much more than a coaching problem. In fact most of your 21 performed better under Malthouse than the previous coach

Judd - ageing
Simpson- good but ageing
Walker- injury.
Murphy- ok but barely an A grader
Gibbs- Best football under Malthouse last year and this year reverts to his former self
Thouy- playing to his ability but not a B grader. Coach has got the most out of him
Rowe- Developed by Malthouse into a Defender but playing to the best of his ability
Jamison- Ageing, injured. Can he play better under another coach? Doubtful
Armfield- Get's game based on endeavour. Fringe player at best. Will not do better under another coach
Casboult- Gradual improvement. Malthouse move to a second ruck compensates for his inability to kick. May put it all together under a new coach
Buckley- Developed well in defence. Admittedly could do well with a new coach
Warnock- Played great finals under Ratten. Lacks intensity. Would a new coach turn him around - I doubt it
Yarran- Best football under malthouse. Harder and more consistent. Suffers from playing in a weak side
Kreuzer- Football gods have not smiled upon him
Bell- Developed well under Malthouse
Curnow- A tagger, plays to his ability. Had a lapse when injured. Doubtful a new coach improve him
Carazzo- Injured and ageing
Watson- Never was and never will be. His development as a forward was Malthouse inspired
Henderson- injured. Had to play forward. May benefit from a new coach
Ellard- Best performed under malthouse. Never was. Never will be
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:12 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Humpers wrote:
We need to follow the approach St Kilda are taking - do we have the courage and patience to do this? I doubt it.



We have had that approach since 2013 draft. Only draft pick we sacrificed was pick 46 for Jones
Docherty was the pick with the Hampson swap and he was 20 anyway
Everitt and 39(giles) for pick 31
2013 draft the previous administration gave hacks multi year contracts so we only had 3 picks.

The mass of our supporters get hypnotised by a combination of Herald Sun Propaganda and Trigg & La Giudace's pushing the blam onto the coach

Who went to the board in October 2013 and told them the list needed turning over? - Mick Malthouse
Who turned over 25 players?- Mick Malthouse
The rebuild strategy has been apprehended by Trigg after Malthouse had commenced its implimentation
Malthouse and I would add Trigg and the club have the patience. The supporters, who when surveyed demand no quick fixes, then turn on the club and coach based on immediate win loss ratios
Next year we will have a new coach and we will be cheering because he is likely to produce half a dozen wins on the back of smith, cripps, buckley, graham, bokeheurst, sheehan, byrnes increased fitness and experience. The assessment of coaching performance at Carlton is grounded in subjective perception and personal agenda rather than the reality of the playing list's capacity and objective reasoning


So who brought in Thomas, Jones, Tutt & Dick and put them on contracts that will restrict our recruiting over the next few years?

Thomas aside, those blokes are not on enough coin to cause concern. Jones is slightly overpaid IMO, and he's supposedly on 250k.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:16 pm 
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You ruined it with point 9.


Nah, a soft hairdo makes for a soft player. Exhibit A: Gibbs.

I think we still have the lowest incidence of disgusting sleeve tatts in the league, so at least we have that to be proud of.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:20 pm 
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Shave their heads and beat them until they're men.

Unsure if referencing scene from Full-Metal Jacket or scene from porno version of Full-Metal Jacket

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:35 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Who turned over 25 players?- Mick Malthouse


Big @#$%&! deal. Everyone turns over rookies.

The reality is 21 of our current 38 senior listed players were already at the club when Mick came. 21!
Compare that to most other clubs in the AFL and sadly for you, it's nothing special.
If anything, we've turned over less players than most.


Yes, another use of simplistic statistics. When you look behind the 21 players from the Ratten era, they are hardly superstars and support the argument that it is a talent problem much more than a coaching problem. In fact most of your 21 performed better under Malthouse than the previous coach


Simplistic statistics? :lol:
Try reality…the truth.. fact.
Something you know nothing about. You consistently post absolute bullshit on this site and when you are called to account, you head off on another bullshit tangent.
Suggesting most have performed better under Malthouse is more of the same. Bullshit.

Go and post on an Under 10s website where hopefully for your sake, your nonsense may be swallowed by the young and gullible.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 8:34 pm 
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With regards to Jezz and BV.

I think you are both set on your opinions and you only choose to see what you want in order to reaffirm your opinions. You are probably both a little right but I think we have much deeper problems than whether or not our current coach is good or not.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 9:03 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Humpers wrote:
We need to follow the approach St Kilda are taking - do we have the courage and patience to do this? I doubt it.



We have had that approach since 2013 draft. Only draft pick we sacrificed was pick 46 for Jones
Docherty was the pick with the Hampson swap and he was 20 anyway
Everitt and 39(giles) for pick 31
2013 draft the previous administration gave hacks multi year contracts so we only had 3 picks.

The mass of our supporters get hypnotised by a combination of Herald Sun Propaganda and Trigg & La Giudace's pushing the blam onto the coach

Who went to the board in October 2013 and told them the list needed turning over? - Mick Malthouse
Who turned over 25 players?- Mick Malthouse
The rebuild strategy has been apprehended by Trigg after Malthouse had commenced its implimentation
Malthouse and I would add Trigg and the club have the patience. The supporters, who when surveyed demand no quick fixes, then turn on the club and coach based on immediate win loss ratios
Next year we will have a new coach and we will be cheering because he is likely to produce half a dozen wins on the back of smith, cripps, buckley, graham, bokeheurst, sheehan, byrnes increased fitness and experience. The assessment of coaching performance at Carlton is grounded in subjective perception and personal agenda rather than the reality of the playing list's capacity and objective reasoning


good post..

i would add fitness, game plan as reasons for our dilemma.

you are praising mm foor is efforrts to build the list. thomas has been ordinary and we are missing betts garlett and even waite. with robbo gione we have become a bruise free team. MM has made decisions which havent help the team..

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