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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:52 am 
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I agree, Saad has some upside but he just isn't consistent enough. He might go okay as a list plugger at GWS and who knows we could be proved wrong, but I don't think he is at all the type of player Carlton are needing on their list.

I wish him luck though and hope Ahmed gets a gig somewhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:07 am 
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Would like another crumbing forward option on the list to keep Garlett and Betts honest.
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If we get a big target or two these guy's might be fighting for one spot.

Whats happened to Kerr anyway?

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:44 am 
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teknodeejay wrote:
I agree, Saad has some upside but he just isn't consistent enough. He might go okay as a list plugger at GWS and who knows we could be proved wrong, but I don't think he is at all the type of player Carlton are needing on their list.

I wish him luck though and hope Ahmed gets a gig somewhere.

See, I think he's another who'd thrive at AFL level with a little more space and a quicker track to work on.

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Whats happened to Kerr anyway?

In the mix more as a HF cum midfield type.

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:24 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
DELISTED

Cachia – Has matured as a footballer this year and no question he’s improved since he arrived at the club, but I just don’t think he’s quite good enough for AFL. He sort of reminds me of a less talented Robbo. Hard at the ball but doesn’t seem to have the awareness and skill level required. Can be a bit slow with his defensive transitions too. He’s had his 2 years on our Rookie List, and with Casboult our nominated player to keep for a 3rd year, I think Cachia is gone. He might be an outside chance to be picked up by another AFL club late in the Rookie Draft.

Carter – I just don’t see it with Carter. He has pace, but I don’t see anything in him that sets him apart from many other players of his type at VFL/SANFL/WAFL level. I’m no expert, but one thing I look at with a new player is how he handles the ball. There’s no room in the AFL for players that fumble. Carter doesn’t seem to handle the ball cleanly under pressure and his disposal is OK but nothing special. Unless there’s a rule that interstate Rookies have to be give 2 years (?), I would move him on. Getting a shoulder injury when he did certainly didn’t help him.

Dare – I like the way Dare plays. He’s got a little bit of a young Peter Dean about him. He’s a courageous and smart footballer with some natural leadership skills. He appears to be popular with the coaching staff too. Had a good finals series with the Bullants. If he was a yard quicker, 5cm taller and 10kgs heavier, he’d be a very exciting AFL prospect. Unfortunately, I doubt he’s going to make the grade, and with Laidler and Duigan established in the Carlton side, it’s unlikely we’ll persist with Dare. Like Cachia, it wouldn’t be the biggest shock of all time if another club threw him a lifeline late in the Rookie Draft.


Great overall post. :thumbsup: I think I'd prefer to keep Carter over Twomey myself. I like his pace and kicking.


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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:57 pm 
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Thanks guys, some good discussion happening.

I'm happy to be proven wrong about Carter, but my first impressions of him as a player weren't great. But WH et al obviously see something there to work with.

On Cachia, I like his physical approach but I just don't see him making the grade. Just falls short on pace, skills and smarts (although he's not terrible in those areas, just not AFL standard IMO). Robbo, Ellard and Curnow are ahead of him by a far way. As I said in my initial post, he might be a player that another club gives another chance via a late Rookie Draft selection.

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:56 am 
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Agree with all the deletions and keeps abns, except I would delist Twomey as well.
As for Saad does not impress me. He is not consistent enough and certaintly doesn't do enough either but I could be wrong. :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:16 pm 
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Curnow hasnt looked right since injuring his shoulder and looks like a shoulder operation candidate....good player.
Cachia...not enough tricks...delist
Touhy...gem, should have played ahead of Davies, promote
Casboult...retain..not convinced but his last game with his 5 goals probably saved him.
Twomey...handy player but not getting any better...delist.
Kerr....wasnt a fan but there is something Milne like about Kerr, has pace, goal sense and backs himself, skills are good
and the kid has some attitude which I like...retain.

Dare...Joe is brave, hard and gives you a contest and has improved ....lacks that yard of pace though....delist but would
like to see him stay with the Bullants to see if he can improve more....

Carter...nice kick of the ball and has some polish but maybe a bit lightweight...delist

Saad.....opportunist and has ability but will he he tackle like Jeff and Eddie and be a good defensive players as well as kick some freaky goals...probably not IMO...

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:28 pm 
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Have warmed to Dare over the past year. Not quick but neither is Sam Mitchell. Could we develop him into that tough inside mid?


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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:48 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Have warmed to Dare over the past year. Not quick but neither is Sam Mitchell. Could we develop him into that tough inside mid?


Fair points Rod and I also have warmed to Joe......hard decision but with Touhy a similar hard nut but with that extra speed I inclined to let Joe go and see if he can prove himself in the Bullants and test him onball there...

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:04 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Anyone know how eligiblity works in terms of being promoted onto the senior list from the senior list?

i.e - Carrots debuted in 04, promoted onto senior list full time in 05?

So to rephrase your question -


Is Carazzo eligible? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:27 pm 
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Kerr....wasnt a fan but there is something Milne like about Kerr, has pace, goal sense and backs himself, skills are good
and the kid has some attitude which I like...retain.

Not a rookie. You're forgetting Bray, which probably sums up your thoughts. ;) :P

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:34 pm 
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

Well, they kept Carter instead of Twomey.

And I think it's looking like Kerr might get cut from the Primary List and the club will look to Rookie him (if he makes through to the Rookie Draft)...

All the best to Cachia, Dare and Twomey. Each gave their all for the Bullants this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:44 pm 
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To carry on from the other thread, I thought Kerr made enough progress to ensure he'd make it another year on the senior list, particularly with Houlihan retiring and Yarran changing roles.

Meanwhile, you look over at the defence and at the moment it's:

Talls - Bower, Austin, Henderson, Jamison, Watson, McCarthy
3rd talls - Laidler, White, McInnes, Davies, Thornton
Medium - Duigan, Russell, Lucas, Tuohy
Small - Yarran, Armfield, Joseph, maybe Carter

Compare that to the other end, and you need to push some names into the midfield, up forward and de-list a few. Might as well start with Austin & White, and give Austin another shot via the rookie draft.

White has been dogged by injury for two years, and is something he brought with him to the club I believe. Can't have a bloke breaking down all the time due to a persistent knee injury.

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:57 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
To carry on from the other thread, I thought Kerr made enough progress to ensure he'd make it another year on the senior list, particularly with Houlihan retiring and Yarran changing roles.

Meanwhile, you look over at the defence and at the moment it's:

Talls - Bower, Austin, Henderson, Jamison, Watson, McCarthy
3rd talls - Laidler, White, McInnes, Davies, Thornton
Medium - Duigan, Russell, Lucas, Tuohy
Small - Yarran, Armfield, Joseph, maybe Carter

Compare that to the other end, and you need to push some names into the midfield, up forward and de-list a few. Might as well start with Austin & White, and give Austin another shot via the rookie draft.

White has been dogged by injury for two years, and is something he brought with him to the club I believe. Can't have a bloke breaking down all the time due to a persistent knee injury.


I tend to agree with you, but Austin appears to have had his papers stamped and White seems popular with the MC. If it was a choice between the two, I'd have a slight preference for Austin. I don't mind the idea of him going to the Rookie List for a year. I don't think it will happen though...

Kerr has talent and he's the sort of player that Carlton could use if he got himself fit enough to rotate through the midfield. What we don't know is how he is around the club and what those 'inside' think of him. I think there's always been a little bit of a question mark about what he's like 'above the shoulders'. From the outside looking in, he certainly seems to have matured in the last 12 months. I wonder what his endurance is like as well. I'd prefer to keep him, but he could be one the club delist if they think they can get him back via the Rookie Draft...

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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:15 pm 
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Kerr has to stay, adds another developing midfield option who should start to press for senior selection in 2012. Why risk him in the Rookie draft when all I hear is the draft is thin on talent. Where would he go in this draft?


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 Post subject: Re: Rookie List review
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:01 pm 
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The other risk is GWS pre-listing them. I think GWS would be more interested in grabbing a kid with foot skills who will mature with the team, than a near-developed KPP with questions marks over his durability.

More chance of Austin sliding through to the rookie draft than Kerr.

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