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 Post subject: Re: Can Ellard Make It?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:26 pm 
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Um... but McLean gets knocked over easily...

Haven't seen a lot of this myself?

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and if Ellard is in fact quicker than McLean, then I don't understand why he can't get a game... but yet McLean does.

It's not all about straight line speed though.

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I reckon about 20% of senior team are playing like shite. The match committee should be looking at anyone who's willing put a bit of effort in, and not pick and choose their contests.

Yep, very true - we have two rookie elevation slots available, let's use one. Tuohy for the other in my opinion; next best small defender on our list aside from Lucas and the collection we have in the senior team at present.

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 Post subject: Re: Can Ellard Make It?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:16 am 
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Unlikely!

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 Post subject: Re: Can Ellard Make It?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:32 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Weighs in at what... 77 kilos? I know it's not the be all and end all but chances are he'll get knocked off the ball fairly easily considering his agility isn't flash enough to avoid the first hit consistently.

Can he deliver under that kind of pressure, eg. free his arms, ride the bump. I reckon they'd be about 20% heavier and 20% faster in the AFL, so he's got to lift his reaction times to match.


I think he has been hard done by by the match committee. Has already won the best and fairest and looks like winning it again this year. Getting overlooked for senior birth by players who haven't exactly set the world on fire for the bullants.

Being a rookie is a tough gig. Reckon if he was a top draft pick instead of a draft rookie he would have had more senior opportunities by now.

As for his height being an issue, at 177 cms he actually is a good overhead mark. He is an inch shorter than both Armfield and Joseph but a much stronger overhead mark.

At this stage he offers more than Brock. Can and does go forward and knows where the goals are. Plays with accountability and can effectively tackle.

The only question mak I have relates to his ability to effectively dispose of the ball under pressure, the same concern I have with Brock. In the VFL grand final he was effectively nullified by some close marking and got caught with the ball before he could release it.

The fact that in the past two games Ellard has been by all reports clearly more effective than Brock entitles him to deserve the benefit of doubt and a spot this week.

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 Post subject: Re: Can Ellard Make It?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:26 pm 
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I wouldnt delist Ellard without trying him at senior level........or have any biased opinions because of his lack of size.
From my observations he lacks depth in his kicking and turns the ball over with poor decisions by foot when pressured...but I dont get to see him every week and even Chris Judd hasnt been connecting with too many foot passes of late.

I'm not sure where Ellard would play given our strength in the midfield.....

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 Post subject: Re: Can Ellard Make It?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:35 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Marissa wrote:
Um... but McLean gets knocked over easily...

Haven't seen a lot of this myself?

Really? I suggest you watch him more closely next time then ;-)

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and if Ellard is in fact quicker than McLean, then I don't understand why he can't get a game... but yet McLean does.

It's not all about straight line speed though.

Have you seen enough of Ellard to say that he hasn't got more than just straight line speed? I say (unless you regularly watch/attend VFL matches) nobody has and he deserves to show us that... surely??

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 Post subject: Re: Can Ellard Make It?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:52 pm 
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I can't see why Ellard can't take the spot of McLean or Hadley if form permits?


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 Post subject: Re: Can Ellard Make It?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:00 am 
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Marissa wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Marissa wrote:
Um... but McLean gets knocked over easily...

Haven't seen a lot of this myself?

Really? I suggest you watch him more closely next time then ;-)

I do, and I keep hearing this claim, but I'm yet to see McLean knocked off the ball. Run down, sure, but not out-bodied.

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and if Ellard is in fact quicker than McLean, then I don't understand why he can't get a game... but yet McLean does.

It's not all about straight line speed though.

Have you seen enough of Ellard to say that he hasn't got more than just straight line speed? I say (unless you regularly watch/attend VFL matches) nobody has and he deserves to show us that... surely??

I've seen almost enough, but I'd be happy for him to have a go sometime this year. I just think he doesn't quite cut the mustard, ala Bentick, albeit for slightly different reasons.

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