I don't see why we couldn't devolop the forward structure with Kreuz, Hartlett, perhaps some new recruits and build the forward up from scratch. I think Fev is stuck in his ways, has too much influence on the playing group at the moment and therefore the change in our structure required to go the extra distance will be an uphill battle...

I don't know though, really. I suppose the argument one could make is if we had another decent forward he would create his own opportunity and make his own way into the game regardless of Fev....I dunno.

It just seems that our Midfield and Backline are making great progress but our forwardline is still dependent on Fev having a red hot go and kicking some goals...and we all know he doesn't do this everyweek.

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not good when someone says they will sign (on the weekend) and don't do it straight away,


sorry, is this the Fev thread V2.0?

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Whilst I agree that self assessment should be a big part of everyones life I dont agree with starting a thread on such a topic following a bit of criticism of your posts. It comes across as a bit of woe is me/hopefully I get some supportive posts (hence the harden the f.. up comment - which wasnt said in a personal manner btw).

There are better avenues to pursue for self assesment/improvement rather than starting a thread on it in a public forum - I'd hope so at least, otherwise we may as well have a new thread started for self assessment purposes everytime there is a disagreement between one or two posters.

Believe me, not even close to my thought process!

I believe you cj.

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All i want to add is that I'll take Fev in our team with the occassional dummy spit etc....anyday rather than not have him at all and see him tearing it up at another club !

Whether we win or lose?

I think we would have more chances of winning games with Fev in our side than without him as has been the case.

I didn't mean to have a personal go at you cj but i just find the whole thing frustrating and not all sports people are robots. You have to take the good with the bad with Fev but in my opinion the good far outways the bad.

Oh I do believe you as your posts would indicate you have a degree of intelligence ie you put thought into your posts - I'm just telling you how your post/thread came across which is sort of what you were asking for - imho, had you not started the thread you would have come across better as a poster (as you were doing fine) - just an opinion thats all

My opinion is that after 10 years what Fev has given the club isn't much and he has been well paid. Certainly more than he would ever be doing anything else.

I really have no issue with the hugging or the contract talk. My issue is with his attitude on field and the way he deals with teammates. Not good especially from a senior player especially considering how we have gone the past couple of years.

I honestly believe that if Fev behaved himself on field we wouldn't even be discussing the other issues.

IF we could be assured that Fev will play the next few years without another petulant performance I would love him to be in the side. I just know for a fact that someone with his personality traits would find it extemely difficult to achieve this.

There are genuine issues that will arise once Fev retires that will then put my comments in perspective.

No one is expecting a robot - people do expect a degree of professionalism though. Surely despite your love of Fev and his abilities you can see that he often lacks professionalism in his approach to the game

Of course i see that but i think the media just blow everything up, and yes he does bring that on himself alot too.

I doubt that he will really change too much but I am prepared to live with that. I do believe however that he is trying to change. Is what he has done really that bad ?????

I actually think that most other teams are jealous that we have him even though they wouldn't admit to that.

I'm proud to have a genius at my club even it is a flawed one.

If he was an amateur the it would be fine - as a professional sportsperson then we should be expecting better. Actually I'd rephrase that to we should be demanding better.

In terms of change - trying to change and changing are two completely different things. He is 27 now, 28 at the start of next season - just how much time do you give him to change? I recall posts as far back as 2002 when I first joined TBV (pre TC forum) - numerous people suggesting that it was just a phase with Fev, he would mature as he got older, he was making an effort to change etc. Yet 6+years later Fevs professionalism still isnt up to scratch and people are still suggesting these things.

In terms of fri night - I can live with the push to the face in the second 1/4 that gave away the free as I can see how that might be accidental - the 50 though wasnt good enough, neither was the careless chasing that followed after he came back from the bench (copped a couple of saints players high that on a different day would have drawn a free/rough conduct charge), softness in contests (poor leading/not enough doubling back, going to ground easily, playing for frees etc) were also poor form - and as many have already mentioned the hugging of several saints players/joking on field with the opposition after a loss in a game that meant so much for the club (spot in the 8, 5 years of losing to the saints etc) was inappropriate to say the least

I Agree.

cj i think your the only person who reads my thoughts so thanks for the mention

i totally agree with what you say.

Its easy to hide behind a screen and ridicule others which makes me think those doing it must have been on the receiving at some stage of there lives. Its a shame that there are some posters who feel the need denigrate others for nothing but to feel superior and get off over it....... thats pretty sad

as for Fev im sure he will sign but not for the reported amount of 2.1 million

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Maybe cj69 just wants some free advice.

No pro-bono work here..........may I suggest we arrange 12 1hr sessions at $120 per session, just to get started.

Did you hate your father as a child because he supported Collingwood?

Regards Cazzesman

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Cheap ass.

I'll do it for $119.95 a session.

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