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Billy Swan was certainly a terrific footballer. Used to watch the VFA on Sundays on the TV.
How he never made it into VFL is a mystery.
Thats interesting. I didnt know he was with the Blues originally.

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Billy Swan was certainly a terrific footballer. Used to watch the VFA on Sundays on the TV.
How he never made it into VFL is a mystery.
Thats interesting. I didnt know he was with the Blues originally.

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There were a few mentions of Swan in the Bluesuem which I've now created links for and set up a bio. Guru and Max, who played Under 19's alongside Bill, might be able to flesh out his time at Carlton.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Bill+Swan

There is a link in the new bio to the Under 19's picture gallery - look up 1973 / 1974 and you should be able to find him.


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As per another thread, the Blueseum would like assistance finding / answering the following:

1. Picture of Andrew Balkwill
2. Any pictures of the M&M game (thanks verbs)
3. GF73 - specific commentary on who was hit and when, to explain the brutality of the game.
4. Anyone who can add some colour about how / why / when Jesaulenko moved out from Full Forward and into other positions would be great.
5. Anyone who can track down what a Form Four looked like would be a welcome addition to the site
6. Picture of George 'Fibby' Gniel
7. Explain what happened with Collis in 1964...I mean.... http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... A+G+Collis ....this is a pretty stunning year.

We'll add more in due course.

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The Blueseum was recently contacted by the family of Harry Vallence and they kindly provided some pictures from Soapy's very own scrapbook.

Soapy is a Legend of the club and it is an honour to be able to show items from the family's personal collection.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-browse_gal ... lleryId=79

The first few pictures are from the family collection. More to follow soon hopefully.

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The Blueseum was recently contacted by the family of Harry Vallence and they kindly provided some pictures from Soapy's very own scrapbook.

Soapy is a Legend of the club and it is an honour to be able to show items from the family's personal collection.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-browse_gal ... lleryId=79

The first few pictures are from the family collection. More to follow soon hopefully.


God I love that site - imagine in 3 years time for arguments sake when we have 10 photos from the personal collections of 500 or so players?


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Jarusa wrote:
The Blueseum was recently contacted by the family of Harry Vallence and they kindly provided some pictures from Soapy's very own scrapbook.

Soapy is a Legend of the club and it is an honour to be able to show items from the family's personal collection.

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-browse_gal ... lleryId=79

The first few pictures are from the family collection. More to follow soon hopefully.


God I love that site - imagine in 3 years time for arguments sake when we have 10 photos from the personal collections of 500 or so players?


Another 70 or so pics will be arriving in a couple of days. :-D

Can't wait to see what will be there, will post them on the site as soon as Ican.

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That's very cool.

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The last time I had my hair cut an older gentleman came into the Barber shop.

The Barber said that we should be talking football since he knew that we were both Carlton men.

The man asked if I knew my Carlton players. The Barber answered for me, saying that if he gave me a player's name I would give him their number.

The gentleman asked how far back he could go. I didn't think I could go back any more than 40 years. He said this player was further back than that and asked if I knew of Harry Vallence.

I proudly answered that he wore number 22 and kicked 722 goals. He proudly replied that Harry Vallence was his father.

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The Blueseum wrote:
1. Picture of Andrew Balkwill
2. Any pictures of the M&M game (thanks verbs)
3. GF73 - specific commentary on who was hit and when, to explain the brutality of the game.
4. Anyone who can add some colour about how / why / when Jesaulenko moved out from Full Forward and into other positions would be great.
5. Anyone who can track down what a Form Four looked like would be a welcome addition to the site
6. Picture of George 'Fibby' Gniel
7. Explain what happened with Collis in 1964...I mean.... http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... A+G+Collis ....this is a pretty stunning year.

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8. Which game was it that Ang Christou's tackle came out? I looked up 'testicles' in the search function and it came up with Shaun Hampson's bruised testicles injury earlier in the year :-D

It was a night game yeah?

ps Its not the sort of website you can search for 'tackle' or 'balls' and expect to find an answer to the above question


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Is there a way you can search the current list of players by guernsey number?

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What exactly are you searching for Camel?

The only real list of the current players is below:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... aying+List

This is just the surviving members of the 2008 list, as organised in alphabetical order.


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The Blueseum wrote:
CHECK - Picture of Andrew Balkwill
CHECK - Any pictures of the M&M game (thanks verbs)
3. GF73 - specific commentary on who was hit and when, to explain the brutality of the game.
4. Anyone who can add some colour about how / why / when Jesaulenko moved out from Full Forward and into other positions would be great.
5. Anyone who can track down what a Form Four looked like would be a welcome addition to the site
6. Picture of George 'Fibby' Gniel
7. Explain what happened with Collis in 1964...I mean.... http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... A+G+Collis ....this is a pretty stunning year.
8. Which game was it that Ang Christou's tackle came out?


Thanks to 'Peter', we've been able to knock off the top 2 items from this question / open issues list. We've got some pictures of Balkwill from the M&M game, and a Q&A with a former number 38 who didnt make it to senior level:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... w+Balkwill

and 5 more pictures for the Blueseum's M&M Gallery, also from Inside Carlton:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-browse_gal ... leryId=567

That's a great shot of Rhino celebrating 50 games, too.

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PS In the top 100 list, the 1979 Grand Final has replaced Lance Whitnall

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What exactly are you searching for Camel?

The only real list of the current players is below:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... aying+List

This is just the surviving members of the 2008 list, as organised in alphabetical order.


I just wanted to view the current list in number order to work out that Yarran will most likely get #9. I managed to do just that on the Carlton website.

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What exactly are you searching for Camel?

The only real list of the current players is below:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... aying+List

This is just the surviving members of the 2008 list, as organised in alphabetical order.


I just wanted to view the current list in number order to work out that Yarran will most likely get #9. I managed to do just that on the Carlton website.


Ouch that hurts - the main site easier to use than the Blueseum? :o

FWIW a good thing about wiki table formatting is that its an easy copy into Excel, so you can just sort out any table you find in the Bluesuem in any way you want.

Ive been working on a spreadsheet that will automatically update the playing list for 2009 each week with a minute's work so Im planning on making the site abit easy to update next year.


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The Blueseum wrote:
CHECK - Picture of Andrew Balkwill
CHECK - Any pictures of the M&M game (thanks verbs)
3. GF73 - specific commentary on who was hit and when, to explain the brutality of the game.
4. Anyone who can add some colour about how / why / when Jesaulenko moved out from Full Forward and into other positions would be great.
5. Anyone who can track down what a Form Four looked like would be a welcome addition to the site
6. Picture of George 'Fibby' Gniel
7. Explain what happened with Collis in 1964...I mean.... http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... A+G+Collis ....this is a pretty stunning year.
8. Which game was it that Ang Christou's tackle came out?


9. There HAS to be some pictures of Brent Heaver out there - all we have is a picture spliced from a team shot in 1994. If anyone has a Heaver shot - particularly an action shot - we would appreciate it.

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4. Anyone who can add some colour about how / why / when Jesaulenko moved out from Full Forward and into other positions would be great.


As I understand it, this happened over a few seasons, namely 1972-73. But Carltons quest for a Full-Forward went on for years to come when perhaps the solution was there all along. I can't really answer (and I think possibly only Jezza, Big Nick and Wes Lofts would know) why Jezza wasn't a permanent fixture at FF for more years than he was - but here's my take from a historical perspetive.

In 1972, Greg Kennedy was outstanding and kicked 76 from full-forward - however the selectors left him out of the Grand Final side; preferring to play Jezza at Full-forward where he kicked 7. However throughout the season, the selectors saw Kennedy as the heir apparent and on many occasions, Jesaulaenko found himself next to a young Robert Walls on the half-forward line.

In 1973, Jezza had a pretty ordinary year that was interrupted by injury. Greg Kennedy continued to show good form and Brian Walsh ran amok in the forward line with the rover topping the goalkicking with 60.

In 1971, a kid called Rodney Ashman kicked 100 goals for Eaglehawk in the Bendigo League. The Blues might have thought they had 'another Jezza' on their hands - at 16, Ashman was a goal-kicking freak, had a soaring leap, was a great mark and could kick goals with either foot from anywhere. Alas - he was no taller than Adrian Gallagher and a goal kicking rover he became.

On Round 5, 1973 - Ashman made his debut - replacing the injured Jesaulenko. The Blues also blooded Craig Davis whose form in the reserves was too great to ignore.

1974 was not a good year...Carlton missed the finals, Craig Davis won the goalkicking, Alan Ruscuklic was tried in the forward line to no avail and it was felt that Jezza was at his most destructive when running free through the packs and off the half-forward flank. The Blues kept looking for a full-forward...they debuted a future KPF - however Mark Maclure played his first year in defence.

1975 started out great for the Blues. The Club won 13 of the first 14 - eventually finishing 2nd to the Hawks only to be bundled out of the finals in straight sets. Craig Davis suffered a terrible head injury that lead to him being diagnosed as a hemophiliac and the club was reluctant to accept the medical risks associated. He went on to play another 121 games and kick 198 more goals at three other clubs.

Unbelievably, in 1975 - Jesaulenko won his only B&F. He played the year almost exclusively as a defender and finished third in the Brownlow.

Walls won the goalkicking in '75 and '76, yet the club failed to find a player who would hold down full-forward. Despite playing brilliant football as a defender in '75 - Jezza returned to the forward line in '76, although was hampered by injury again.

Behind the scenes in the mid-70's; getting a key forward seemed a high priority. The club were beaten to Malcolm Blight's signature due to Barassi having knowedge of who the Blues had their eye on and North made Blight priority number one.

By the time 1977 came around - the Blues recruiting a key forward had become such a growing concern that it got to desperation.

Peter McKenna came to the club - albeit with a stuffed kidney and only managed 11 games. Tony Southcombe was involved in a car accident on his way home from training and quit after 13 promising games. David McKay was looking for a clearance to Subiaco and having bewildered many by recruiting McKenna, Peter Bedford and Renato Serafini - the clubs officials did the unthinkable. They offered Jesaulenko, McKay and one other player in exchange for Essendon* wildman Ronnie Andrews.

Perc Bentley openly admitted later than when taking the vote - he was one of the Carlton officials who thought Jesaulenko was finished. Luckily for the club, Essendon* refused the deal. We missed the finals by half a game and suffered a humiliating loss to Collingwood in Round 6 by 102 points. Mark Maclure topped the goalkicking with 39 and although the club hierarchy changed at season's end - the new brigade which included George Harris' second stint as President continued it's search for the forward problem.

In 1978 Carlton offered Leigh Matthews 3 times what he was earning at Hawthorn. The Blues offer of $60,000 a year was rejected when Hawthorn upped the ante to $40,000 and loyalty lead to Matthews staying in the brown and gold. We finished fourth, Rod Galt won the goalkicking with 49 and the following year (a Premiership year) Ken Sheldon won with 53...Jezza played in the centre and in defence and the clubs quest for a full-forward would go on until it looked as though Peter Bosustow answered our prayers - then Ross Ditchburn - then Warren Ralph.

In 1983 - the club conducted a poll amongst members to pick their best side for the 25 year period 1957-1982. Jesaulenko was named Full-Forward.


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Dr. Sherrin.
Great read, I was around during those great times except for 73 and 74.
Very interesting about McKay and Jezza , never heard that before.
Fans would have torn the place apart if they had gone to Essendon*.
Jezza could play anywhere he was amazing. Such a pity that he ended his days at St.Kilda.
Apart from Jezza and now Fev we never really had a consistent top full forward in the all the years I've been following the Blues.
Probably would have to go back to Vallance for a reliable goal kicker.
The key to our success over the years is having one of the best defences in the League, and until we have that then the next premiership is just a dream.

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With the Blueseum stepping up another gear in 2008, we're looking to continue the surge for 2009 to make it a more readily available and up to date information source - this means, in addition to covering our history in increasing detail, yet covering today's players as quickly as possible. We'd like to set up some form of weekly update schedule to ensure that all of the key functions utilised by fans on site is ready and able for use. Now we already have a few key writers who do some of this, but one of us is doing Year 12 next year (and may not have the time), whilst others are moving into research roles on history. The upshot is we have a need to work out a schedule of users - although this sounds like an obligation we'll make sure there's people around to help do the role if you can't. We see it as 5 tasks:

1. Game Reviews
- initial data entry
- game review / commentary

2. Player Bio Updates
- key milestones
- games / goals
- commentary if really required

3. Locker Room
- update each locker for games played (22 jumpers a week)

4. Playing List 2009 update [molsey]
- Ive put together a spreadsheet to help me do this quickly
- Stat Shot update

5. Ad-hoc records (2009 Records)

I'd be happy to take PM's or EOIs in here if someone wants to help. Items 1 and 2 are the really important bits so the more the merrier.

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Greg Kennedy from Eaglehawk was the answer to my Full Forward dream for Carlton.

Gee he was a great player.....but was a real country boy just like Stephen Oliver afterwards......he kicked 76 goals in 1972 including 12 goals against Hawthorn at Princes Park the week before the finals but.......we couldn't keep him in the big city.

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The Blueseum wrote:
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CHECK - Picture of Andrew Balkwill
CHECK - Any pictures of the M&M game (thanks verbs)


9. There HAS to be some pictures of Brent Heaver out there - all we have is a picture spliced from a team shot in 1994. If anyone has a Heaver shot - particularly an action shot - we would appreciate it.

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I have two footy cards of Brent Heaver - I can send them to you next week.


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