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carntheblues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:13 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Hewett is obviously in.
Saad is obviously in for Boyd.

The other positions are:

Martin vs Fogarty. Surely it has to be Martin.

O’Brien vs Dow vs Newnes. I’d go with Dow but suspect they’ll stick with O’Brien.

Newnes for sub. The kids need to play full games to keep developing


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Dow is not competing for the wing so I expect him to miss out. I would also suggest that unless they are making a change to the role of LOB's wing he will stay. If Newnes replaces LOB it would suggest they are wanting Newnes more defensive, competitive approach.
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We are +2

2 wins ahead of expectations

Richmond and bulldogs. Expected to beat hawthorn.

Sides often pinch wins but the best sides win the games they're expected to.

This is a huge chance for us to win a game that everyone expects us to. These are the games that in recent times we just don't win.

We must.

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Agree BH.
Quietly confident though. We should win enough contested and centre clearances to give our forwards a good look against an inferior backline. There forward line should not concern us either, unless Casboult decides to take Young to school, but I like what Young showed last week and don’t fear that happening.
Blues by 30+.
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DesEnglish
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:05 am 
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I’d be more nervous (I’m currently about an 8) if we’d smashed Hawks last week. The fact that we almost got overrun (again) makes me think there will be no complacency.

Boyd and Durdin out
Martin and Saad in

Fogarty sub
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sinbagger
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:09 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
I’d be more nervous (I’m currently about an 8) if we’d smashed Hawks last week. The fact that we almost got overrun (again) makes me think there will be no complacency.

Boyd and Durdin out
Martin and Saad in

Fogarty sub


Agree with these ins and outs, but I’m nit sure who we’ll bring in if Pittonet doesn’t pass his test. I would think it would need to be a small fwd or HFF role player.
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bondiblue
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:52 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
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Newnes? Plowman still in? Argghhhhhhhh. Scary old Carlton that we keep on going back to these guys.

Would like to see Parks, and Dow. Hell Stocker would do more than Plowman.

Sorry to be negative, but those two remind me of our shit days.

Agree totally but trying to think like the MC.

And Plowman is not really that bad. Just a little bad.



Plowman is OK, but is not doing the 3rd tall/ interceptor role any justice.
He's not an intercept mark.
He doesn't make the play. Doesn't break lines.

Plowman is a stopper. Period. A mundane, uncreative role.
Has problems with mdium and tall opponents.

We can do better than him when McGovern, Marchbank are back and if Kemp is developed for the role.
I believe if McDonald was selected to take on No2 KP as he did in round 1 & 2, Young would take Plowman's role as an intercept mark/ 3rd tall.

Plowman's days are numbered, but he's the best we've got available with 3 of the best candidates for the 3rd tall all out injured.
We should be grateful we still have him imo.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:55 am 
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carntheblues wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Hewett is obviously in.
Saad is obviously in for Boyd.

The other positions are:

Martin vs Fogarty. Surely it has to be Martin.

O’Brien vs Dow vs Newnes. I’d go with Dow but suspect they’ll stick with O’Brien.

Newnes for sub. The kids need to play full games to keep developing


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Dow is not competing for the wing so I expect him to miss out. I would also suggest that unless they are making a change to the role of LOB's wing he will stay. If Newnes replaces LOB it would suggest they are wanting Newnes more defensive, competitive approach.


Newnes vs LOB?

Both have engines to last 4 quarters.
LOB the quickest of the 2.
Newnes is the better tackler.
Newnes also has the hurt factor when he tackles.
Newnes plays wityh more confidence.
LOB has more upside.

Its a game of attrition, and hard hits.
I had written off Newnes last year because of his lack of interest imo.
Right this minute?
Newnes for me, given the form he's shown in the twos.

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Crusader
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I hope Dow gets a game. A drover’s dog could be doing the job that O’Brien has been given. The property steward wouldn’t have washed Lochie’s jumper yet.

Once they re-picked their side (cheating flowers), Hawthorn put up a legitimate challenge in the stoppages and transition & where was LOB? 30 metres off the contest, per usual.

He may not be competing for a spot on the wings, but we’ll look a hell of a lot better in that position if Dow does come into the side.

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bondiblue
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:46 am 
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Crusader wrote:
I hope Dow gets a game. A drover’s dog could be doing the job that O’Brien has been given. The property steward wouldn’t have washed Lochie’s jumper yet.

Once they re-picked their side (cheating flowers), Hawthorn put up a legitimate challenge in the stoppages and transition & where was LOB? 30 metres off the contest, per usual.

He may not be competing for a spot on the wings, but we’ll look a hell of a lot better in that position if Dow does come into the side.



I was just thinking about Dow, and thought it would be good to see him in the guts connecting with the big boys Cripps, Hewett or Kennedy to see what he's got, in the hope he's using his wheels and charging out of congestion with the ball. What he does next...this is what we need to know. Will he bomb it? Kennedy does bomb it deep with his penetrating kick. Will he continue the chain of handballs to run the ball forward? He's capable as he loves a handball.

LOB could easily be sub, but I doubt it.

On the point re LOB 30 metres away from the stoppages. Maybe that's what he's instructed to do. Surely he doesn't run his own race in the seniors. If not....had to laugh about the jumper being all nice and clean. Its time he got tougher and dirtier.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:32 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
I hope Dow gets a game. A drover’s dog could be doing the job that O’Brien has been given. The property steward wouldn’t have washed Lochie’s jumper yet.

Once they re-picked their side (cheating flowers), Hawthorn put up a legitimate challenge in the stoppages and transition & where was LOB? 30 metres off the contest, per usual.

He may not be competing for a spot on the wings, but we’ll look a hell of a lot better in that position if Dow does come into the side.



I was just thinking about Dow, and thought it would be good to see him in the guts connecting with the big boys Cripps, Hewett or Kennedy to see what he's got, in the hope he's using his wheels and charging out of congestion with the ball. What he does next...this is what we need to know. Will he bomb it? Kennedy does bomb it deep with his penetrating kick. Will he continue the chain of handballs to run the ball forward? He's capable as he loves a handball.

LOB could easily be sub, but I doubt it.

On the point re LOB 30 metres away from the stoppages. Maybe that's what he's instructed to do. Surely he doesn't run his own race in the seniors. If not....had to laugh about the jumper being all nice and clean. Its time he got tougher and dirtier.

If the Hawthorn game wasn’t a sign that the side needs to evolve beyond that set up, then Vossy is in real strife.

The recipe is there for opposition coaches… size at the coal face, hard tag on Walsh, set an extra intercept at half back & the full back no deeper than 30m.

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https://www.mojonews.com.au/page/afl-changes-the-game-with-release-of-gps-data?amp=1

Found this page on GPS Tracking from 2018.

George Hewett would have been only 22yo and he was already clocking up to 15 kms in a game.

The player is a work horse, and obviously doesn't need to feature on too many rotations. A weapon in an era where interchange rotations is being reduced.

I doubt he'd be starting on the bench.

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Question for the trivia buffs: when was the last time we won 4 in a row? Can’t recall it happening under Ratten.

I know the last time we went 4-0 to start the year was ‘95…


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peabody wrote:
Question for the trivia buffs: when was the last time we won 4 in a row? Can’t recall it happening under Ratten.

I know the last time we went 4-0 to start the year was ‘95…


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Found my own answer, we did it twice in 2011 and once in 2009.


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Wasn't it 2016?

We beat Port by 2 points in one of those wins at Marvel. It was Simmo's 250th I think?
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OUT: Durdin, Boyd
IN: Saad

J Martin on the HFF.

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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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jake_h03 wrote:
Looks like it's going to be very wet. Forecast is showing 10-20mm Friday and Saturday and 20-40mm on gameday.

We looked to tall up forward yesterday and Hawthorn waltzed it out way too easily. Given this and the forecast I reckon we ditch a ruckman and go with JSOS as the relief ruck, or even Young if their tall forwards aren't worrying us. TDK would be the one to go, but Pittonet may be out with the back injury.

We've got enough tall targets up forward with Charlie, Harry, JSOS, and Martin is very strong overhead for his height.

So I'd go with:
Martin for TDK/Pitto
Saad for Boyd
Motlop for Owies
Dow for O'Brien.

I know O'Brien is outside and Dow is inside but I'd be keen to give Dow a go in the role and see how he goes. He will offer more strength in the contest and more speed which we lack. He can also rotate on ball and give Cerra and Walsh spells on the wing

If it is going to be wet must have Dow in place of LOB. Will be a tough game where the players will need to put their bodies on the line. Dow will do this. Can anyone see LOB?


I know you're a real fan of Dow's. I thought he'd be in the best 22 before the praccy games, having heard Diesel's praise of Dow's and LOB's preseason.

I can't see Dow or LOB putting their body on the line. Dow has weapons, but he's too much of a ball watcher. For an inside mid, he doesn't break tackles or hit hard because he isn't the type who enjoys the physical side of the game IMO.

I am a fan of Dow because he has shown regular improvement at his time at the cub where as LOB?

As far as putting his body on the line, he has made his name as an inside mid and a tackler. Speaks for itself.

I do believe both wings are are a weakness of ours, no run and carry. Compare to Melbourne, it needs to be rectified.

We don't know if Dow can play wing until he is given a go in the seniors.


I think that Dow's best position is Left Right Out !
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:14 pm 
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peabody wrote:
peabody wrote:
Question for the trivia buffs: when was the last time we won 4 in a row? Can’t recall it happening under Ratten.

I know the last time we went 4-0 to start the year was ‘95…


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Found my own answer, we did it twice in 2011 and once in 2009.


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That surprises me, honestly thought it would've been more than 20 years ago

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Effes wrote:
OUT: Durdin, Boyd
IN: Saad

J Martin on the HFF.



and LOB on the wing with Setterfirled named IC in the final teams.
Tricky stuff.

similarly, Martin and Saad from extended bench to being named HFF & HBF, in Final team.
Tricky stuff

Noted.

TDK named CHF, and last week's BOG and Mr Fix it, Silvagni, is named IC on Final Team

Boys are obviously in on it and this interchanging of names on team sheets creates an egalitarian feel about it: TEAM.

Noted.

Last wek Walsh Cerra and Kennedy on the wing at times, and HFF.

So anything can happen and will happen to keep the opposition guessing.
I just hope the Blues added another layer of IQ following the Hawks game.

Carlton by 25 points. Forwards to Dominate after Midfield Fab 5 avalanche

If they added a layer after analysis of last week's game, 42 points.

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So who is the sub.

My pick is

Newnes but hopefully Dow and LOB goes down in the first 5 minutes. Nothing too serious, just enough to rule him out for the match.

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Final team (but I wouldn't be surprised by a late change with Pittonet).

Round 4 team v Gold Coast

Backs: Zac Williams - Lewis Young - Nic Newman

Half-backs: Adam Saad - Jacob Weitering - Sam Docherty

Centreline: Sam Walsh - Patrick Cripps - Lochie O'Brien

Half-forwards: Zac Fisher - Tom De Koning - Jack Martin

Forwards: Matthew Owies - Harry McKay - Charlie Curnow

Followers: Marc Pittonet - Adam Cerra - George Hewett

Interchange: Matthew Kennedy - Lachie Plowman - Jack Silvagni - Will Setterfield

Emergencies: Jordan Boyd - Paddy Dow - Lachie Fogarty - Jack Newnes
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