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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:13 pm 
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Watch the disgraceful umpiring in the last few minutes...the umpires have money on the game? Duncan free for the centre clearance against Gibbs????... Caddy kicks out of the pack in forward 50...ball going to Docherty and ump calls " not 15 play on" it was about 25 metres...Docherty dropped it anyway...the umpiring just changed ....we get it on the boundary and the cats throw it ...twice... Before getting the handball out that results in the final point....Graham takes a mark in the middle and the ball is punched out of his hands...umps play a push? Really ??. A push ...How....pays the free...because if it's a mark it's an infringement after the mark....might have to make a decision on a 50 for Carlton......

The tone changed...whether it's because the run was with Geelong and the frees go that way or not....it changed

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:44 pm 
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No McLean.
No Carlton.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:52 pm 
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Just sick of getting the wrong end of the stick with this lot.

If they play Essendon* in the finals I will be cheering for Essendon*. Heartily.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:55 pm 
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nck wrote:
Just sick of getting the wrong end of the stick with this lot.

If they play Essendon** in the finals I will be cheering for Essendon**. Heartily.


Booooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
throw him out of court . :razz:

oh..you meant geelong!! ( :oops: :grin: )

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:55 pm 
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It wasn't my mate Schmidt, It was the inexperienced Hosking overruling the most experienced Rosebury

I guess the flower will learn from that


hopefully in the bush - is he the new razor ray for us?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:57 pm 
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Disappointed with the loss but proud of the effort. Getting sick of close losses and being screwed over by the umpires.
Lots to look forward to next year.
Great effort.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:07 pm 
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As I said on Twitter, I think it's very brave for AFL umpires to be on Twitter. E.G. Hosking that made the call last night:

https://twitter.com/bhosking16


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:16 pm 
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Any news on the injuries?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:16 pm 
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Nothing ever seems to go our way against this lot. They are charmed. Whether it's injuries, umpiring, Warnock missing a sitter etc. Probably goes back to Ricciardi in 2002.

I have no doubt that but for injuries last night, we would have won by a few goals. They have obviously been better than us overall for years now and we all talk about our problems as a team/club but with any luck at all we would have snagged a win or two against them.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:08 pm 
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Armfield a liability.
Sheehan's disposal is better than Armfield's by a decent margin.

Destroyed by injury.

They were three players from full strength.

Couldn't ask for much more from the boys.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:15 pm 
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nck wrote:
Just sick of getting the wrong end of the stick with this lot.

If they play Essendon** in the finals I will be cheering for Essendon**. Heartily.

WHOA! Let's not go crazy there! :eek:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:23 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Taff wrote:
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Would've won despite the crap umpiring had we not have had injury carnage all night. Jamo hobbling with a calf, Yazz shouldn't have played, Menz shoulder, Daisy knee, Ellard leg. We would've held on if we had an extra rotation.


This is where I disagree with most. I never blame umpires, it's a cop out. As for injuries they don't help but I believe the lack of depth and class is what has cost us. Against Freo it was Fyfe, last night Selwood. If those players had been on our side the result would of been the other way.

Can't fault the effort and the game style. It is as good as I have seen from a Carlton team in a long while. We just lack class. That ability to finish, to make the right decision under pressure, to understand what it takes to win. Get a few of those type players and it will be a very different story.


Well said. The lack of class in the bottom half of our side is telling.


Well, in a team with a lack of depth anyway losing Walker, Hendo, Kreuz, Bucks, Dre, Menz, Thomas of course it's going to hurt more than other teams.

saying that Armfield is done.


They are good players and we missed them but I don't see any elite players in that lot. We lack top level elite "leaders". Players who make the right decisions under pressure and know how to win.

Players like Ablett, Fyfe, Selwood, Pendlebury etc. are those players. We also don't have the next level youngsters pushing through. Players like MacCrae, Bontempelli, Crouch, Aish etc.


Agree your list of players are elite, but its a bit unfair to compare that list of all australian elites, to our list of outs, who are not our best players, although are very good contributors and definitely best 22. Not sure what you point is? Is it that we need to recruit another judd type to get us over the line? If that is your point, i strongly disagree .......but it would be nice!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:25 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:45 pm 
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I do believe Gibbs is better than Selwood, based on both their body of works this season.



..i reckon gibbs should be better, and will be in the second half of their careers as gibbs becomes a permanent fixture in our midfield..

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:34 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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What were the carlton players doing in the last 70 seconds when they gained possession in the back pocket and were 6 points down?

Were we milking the clock or was I seeing things?




I was there, up on level 3. Was hit with texts from mates watching on tv asking what on earth we were doing. We had nothing...no space, no run, no targets. You could tell Zac was desperately looking for a way out, but it just wasn't there.

I knew 5 mins into the last we were gone. One rotation, and well and truly spent.



I was on level 3 too, totally agree with your comments. Sometimes you have to be there to get the full picture.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:50 pm 
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kezza wrote:
No McLean.
No Carlton.


Its deeper than that

We really havent recovered since Dunlop left

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:57 pm 
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cortez wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
What were the carlton players doing in the last 70 seconds when they gained possession in the back pocket and were 6 points down?

Were we milking the clock or was I seeing things?




I was there, up on level 3. Was hit with texts from mates watching on tv asking what on earth we were doing. We had nothing...no space, no run, no targets. You could tell Zac was desperately looking for a way out, but it just wasn't there.

I knew 5 mins into the last we were gone. One rotation, and well and truly spent.



I was on level 3 too, totally agree with your comments. Sometimes you have to be there to get the full picture.


thats because we switched play to the other side when it was kicked to Touhey.

Most of our players were on the other wing.

Cats beat us in the end because they had an open centre corridor, with 2/3 of our team on the wings and in the pockets

Thats how MM teams play. Conservative boundary line play. rarely going through the middle corridor.

And obviously thats how you counter the MM game plan and structures - through the middle.

That was the main reason that we lost. The other was superior cats leadership and self belief.

The cats dont win the close ones for NO reason

And we dont lose the close ones for NO reason

Umpires had very little to do with the end result

(while watching the game I turned to a friend of mine, with about 8 minutes to go and said "It looks like we may win but watch what we do in these dying minutes and watch what the cats do"

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:11 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
cortez wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
What were the carlton players doing in the last 70 seconds when they gained possession in the back pocket and were 6 points down?

Were we milking the clock or was I seeing things?




I was there, up on level 3. Was hit with texts from mates watching on tv asking what on earth we were doing. We had nothing...no space, no run, no targets. You could tell Zac was desperately looking for a way out, but it just wasn't there.

I knew 5 mins into the last we were gone. One rotation, and well and truly spent.



I was on level 3 too, totally agree with your comments. Sometimes you have to be there to get the full picture.


thats because we switched play to the other side when it was kicked to Touhey.

Most of our players were on the other wing.

Cats beat us in the end because they had an open centre corridor, with 2/3 of our team on the wings and in the pockets

Thats how MM teams play. Conservative boundary line play. rarely going through the middle corridor.

And obviously thats how you counter the MM game plan and structures - through the middle.

That was the main reason that we lost. The other was superior cats leadership and self belief.

The cats dont win the close ones for NO reason

And we dont lose the close ones for NO reason

Umpires had very little to do with the end result

(while watching the game I turned to a friend of mine, with about 8 minutes to go and said "It looks like we may win but watch what we do in these dying minutes and watch what the cats do"


Geelong have won 3 close games through dumb luck. Twice against Carlton through bad umpiring decisions late and last week against when they had no control over the result.

Umpires or not Christiensen doesn't get that free they don't win. Previous time you pay a free to Menzel near the goalsquare when he get his head pulled off and we win, amid a myriad of bad decision that went against us that n night.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:23 pm 
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jim wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
cortez wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
What were the carlton players doing in the last 70 seconds when they gained possession in the back pocket and were 6 points down?

Were we milking the clock or was I seeing things?




I was there, up on level 3. Was hit with texts from mates watching on tv asking what on earth we were doing. We had nothing...no space, no run, no targets. You could tell Zac was desperately looking for a way out, but it just wasn't there.

I knew 5 mins into the last we were gone. One rotation, and well and truly spent.



I was on level 3 too, totally agree with your comments. Sometimes you have to be there to get the full picture.


thats because we switched play to the other side when it was kicked to Touhey.

Most of our players were on the other wing.

Cats beat us in the end because they had an open centre corridor, with 2/3 of our team on the wings and in the pockets

Thats how MM teams play. Conservative boundary line play. rarely going through the middle corridor.

And obviously thats how you counter the MM game plan and structures - through the middle.

That was the main reason that we lost. The other was superior cats leadership and self belief.

The cats dont win the close ones for NO reason

And we dont lose the close ones for NO reason

Umpires had very little to do with the end result

(while watching the game I turned to a friend of mine, with about 8 minutes to go and said "It looks like we may win but watch what we do in these dying minutes and watch what the cats do"


Geelong have won 3 close games through dumb luck. Twice against Carlton through bad umpiring decisions late and last week against when they had no control over the result.

Umpires or not Christiensen doesn't get that free they don't win. Previous time you pay a free to Menzel near the goalsquare when he get his head pulled off and we win, amid a myriad of bad decision that went against us that n night.


have to disagree

Cats have been winning the close ones for nearly 7 years now. Look at their record - especially against the Hawks. its no fluke. There are very good reasons why the cats can do it and we cant.

Even MM agrees that the close losses we have had this year arent due to bad luck or bad umpiring decisions.

Its called mental toughness, strong leadership depth, character, resolve etc....

things we have seriously lacked since SOS retired

We have been a very dishonest team/club fir some time now.

Our results and mediocrity shouldnt surprise anyone

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:00 pm 
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Didnt chuck the towel which is a plus......................fact is we didnt get our hands on the pill enough.Not enough blokes getting enough ball.And we didnt run hard enough.I actually wasnt impressed last night particularly as twoo of our best players were two of our oldest in Judd and Carrots.When will our young blokes stand up ? i want a young bloke to take the bull by the horns and sieze the moment.Bell,Levi,Graham,im talking to you ! perfect oppurtunity last night for a young bloke to announce he had arrived on the main stage.No appearance yout worship.Time for a young bloke to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and win a game off his own boot.There were pivotal moments in that game last night that shift momentum.Game breaking moments and i reckon we let them slip.As far as im concerned anything but a win in the last two games is a fail for the year....................after the magoos pisspoor effort today i am in a foul mood.

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