New Senior coaches usually have the perogative to install their own people such as assistant coaches and some members of the football department. If prospective coaches were being sought out and they are either being told or think that BM cannot be removed as coach of the Bullants then anyone wanting the job would have to have no issue with a compromised football department.

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I'm just giving my opinion Jars.
Greg Swann and Michael Malouf have both publically stated that Denis Pagan refuses to talk to Barry Mitchell.
No one is asking him to like Barry Mitchell however a senior coach needs to interact with his reserves coach for the club to function.
Refusing to do so is childish and blatantly unprofessional.
But hey, thats just my opinion.
I'm just giving my thoughts on reported facts.


*Insert closing swipe here*

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I found this quite funny!............



Why? Oh i just think it's convenient that after an insipid performance and another notch in the belt that is the 12+goal drummings that is Pagans coaching career, he chooses to finally give the media something to play with.

Am i reading to much into that? Why now Denis? You've refused to give an inch in the past, now it seems you've given the equivilent of a mile. Why? Cause you want to divert attention away from yourself? Hmmmmm............perhaps i am reading to much into this.

But i found this quote more interesting.........................



That's right boys and girls. The most important thing at the club right now is our younger players. Forget Gibbs & Murphy, there givens! It's the Grigg's, Jackson's, Anderson's, Aisakie's, Bower's and others who's development is crucial over the next few years.

They are the players that will (hopefully) be at our club for 5-10 years! Pagan, even if he sees out his current contract, will probably only be around for another 18months!

And no, i'm not suggesting Mitchell should be coach (although i do think he'll make a decent AFL coach), i am just saying that Mitchell is, quite simply too frigen important to our young kids to just piss-off because Pagan is to childish.

As i've said before...............i got knifed in a worse situation that Pagan at my previous job by a mate who i'd worked with for years. I was asked to leave because of it.
Funny enough, 8 months on & Business wasn't doing so well & the place shut down due to poor-performance. Now the guy who stole my job was looking for a new one and just-so-happened to find one with my new employer forcing me to work closley with this back-stabbing prick once again.

I worked with him for the next 12months+ before leaving to do my own thing.

Never once did i kick up a storm or a hissy fit, but more importantly..............never once did i let it effect my work or the company.

I think Pagan is acting like a child...............and it's not the first time either. He has a history of doing this.

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Are you saying the players should choose the coach?



Especially when he was a child.

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Exactly!! That's why it's completely unacceptable to have 2 coaches not communicating with each other. What sort of example does it set? Imagine the repercussions if Whitnall and Stevens were now not talking over the Captaincy.

- No, not at all.............and i'm not suggesting Mitchell should be our coach. I'm just asking the question as to who is more important to these kids development?

- Pagan? Who's contract will not likley be renewed by the end of 2008 season.
or
- Mitchell? Who is experienced enough in the game as it was yet youthfull enough to keep up with it's ever-changing morern style. Not to mention being a wonderfull mentor for these kids.

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But Slo Mo, where can you show BV that it has that effect? We have to stick to reported "facts". And because Sticks is the one who's free to talk to the press (and Pagan saying "you won't get any arguments from me" is enough to inspire a lynch mob), we'll have to wait until Sticks says something to support you. Until then, we have to accept what we are told, that the relationship is workable.

This is like being in grade 5 all over again.

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When Thomas was sacked, Nick Riewoldt cried (again). It became apparent that the youngsters in the team were very upset at him being sacked and they thought he was an incredibly positive influence on them.

Within a week, things calmed down.

Since Lyon has taken over, I'd imagine they're happy with him as a coach.

In the case of Thomas/Lyon, we're talking about a senior coach and not just a VFL coach. Unlike with a senior coach, a young player would only look at the VFL coach as being his temporary coach. Name a youngster who wants to stay in the VFL for a few years.

The players quickly adjust to a new coach. The transition should have taken place a long time ago, but you have to do what you can do now. And you're kidding yourself if you think we can't get a replacement for him who will be good for the kids too. Ratten and Crosisca both have coached their own teams, Crosisca in the VFL. Libba could do it. Terry Daniher could do it. Ashman could do it. Irreplaceable he's not.

Maybe this time you'll learn something.

EXACTLY!! -- Nobody is irreplaceable.. Like it or not Dennis is senior coach and if he doesn't want Mitchell there.. Mitchell shouldn't be there. End of story.

if mitchell is the 'messiah' of coaching, why hasn't he got a senior AFL gig yet?

we keep getting told how great mitchell is at VFL level and how he is great at developing the younger players. i don't doubt that he is good at his job, bit IMO he is not that good.

from reading many post about mitchell, I get the feeling people are trying to say mitchell is the key factor in young players making it at afl level.

well didn't mitchell have a fair bit to do with: sporn, livingston, davies, smith, batson, mott, beasy, croad, o'keefe, mckenzie, steiner, hedge, pleming, boyd, becker????

People closer to the club than me rate Mitch. But I just don't like him much. His 3/4 time address is dull and dreary, uninspiring
He seems to have little rapport or charisma. He might be a reasonable coach but there has never been a suggestion that he has
been considered for a senior job, (aprt from the Carlton Board debacle). And no other club seems to be beating down the door to get him as an assistant.
He's been around a long, long time, at the same club, not broadening his experience at other clubs. I wouldn't be sorry to see him go. Britts struck me as a
very good developer of young players and he's coaching no-one. Having said all that Pagan is being childish. I don't think either will be there next season.

A decent organisation doesn't get rid of it good employees and keep the trash. Pagan is considered" short-term" at the club, Mitchell "long-term". Let's face it, Pagan wouldn't be here if we have the finances to pay him out last year. Soon Denis will be gone, no point having a good employee like Mitchell gone too over this. Pagan's the one not talking, if he doesn't want to talk to Mitchell then he knows what he can do.

Yes, how he didnt turn that lot into Brownlow medallists is beyond me.

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Mitchell at another club - i may be proven wrong but i doubt it. It seems to me that other clubs wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole. He may be damaged goods.

btw pagan is also damaged. This is his last gig.

The best thing we could ve done is either sort this out and get them back working together, and if the situation is beyond repair (which it seems to be) move one of them on...
Why do people on our Club, through their actions, insist on giving the media reason to bag us...
One loss and it didnt take long for the doomsdayers to drag out all the negative crap again... with this and the Lance situation still at a head, all the good work is quickly being undone...

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Hang on a sec here - is it a case of Mitchell being a good employee or a good mate???? I very much suspect the latter.

Looking at his peformance I think a damn good employee. Obvious, unless one has a anti-Mitchell agenda. It Denis didn't do such an awful job in the last 4 years this would never be a problem. Denis only has one person to blame............himself.

At the end of 2007 get rid of both of them.

Pagan is not going to lead this team to a premiership if he coached them for another decade.

Mitchell is connected to all of Carltons failure over the past 5 years.

REMEMBER: he was an assistant under Brittian ( not pretty!)

I know he was around when Parkin was at the helm, but a retarded cane toad could be an assistant under Parkin and look good.

Why not employ a coach in 2008 that has contemporary ideas.

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