kingkerna wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
Can anyone recall what year Richmond went to Adelaide in the finals and got blown away in a quarter? Cotchin kicked against the wind.
2014....why?
My memory was after that there was pressure for change, they held firm and went on to be successful. Completely different list profile to us though
In 2016 the Tigers missed the finals, there was yet-another failed board coup and then 2017 happened and they all lived happily ever after.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... qjh25.htmlActually, as much as I can't believe I'm about to say this, reading over Jack Riewoldt's comments in that article from 2016 (and perhaps with the benefit of hindsight) he was talking a lot of sense.
It kinda leads me to my position that we as fans sweat this stuff way too much. For those that say 2024 wasn't enjoyable, go back and watch the second Geelong game, or maybe the Port game over there. It's true there was a lot to dislike about this year, but there were some moments of greatness too. We are nowhere near as shit as many here make us out to be. We're not brilliant either, but looking at season 2024 in totality, is any team? But we're definitely not shit.
We're not that far off.
Improvement isn't linear. Sure. it's a cliche, but it's true.
Some teams get success quickly, but it's rare. Hawthorn jagged one in 2008, but it took another five years for that team to really get going. Everyone bleats on about Geelong and Sydney, but for all of their "success" and for all of their finals appearances and all of their GF appearances, combined, those two teams have only won 1 flag in the last 10 years.
The dynasty teams of Geelong 2007–11 and Richmond 2017–2020 both went through rough patches where their coaches were expected to be sacked off the back of a few years of finals and then missing September. They held strong and history tells us the rest.
We need to accept that winning premierships is bloody hard and it's certainly a lot harder than it was 30 years ago.
Remember, Melbourne was 10-zip the year after they won the flag. Would you rather be them going into 2025, or us?! That's just another example of how bloody hard it is in this game is to get ongoing meaningful success.
Brisbane has a long run of making finals and at times looking like they're making up the numbers. At the start of the PF last year we were smashing them at the Gabba. Them a seasoned finals team, us in our first finals campaign for ages. Mid year this year, we were sitting pretty in second. We're not that far off. It takes time to build finals resilience and success. We've played finals two years in a row and while it's not perfect, we clearly have the list to make finals next year. Nothing is guaranteed, but with good management and a bit of luck we'll make the finals for the third year in a row. Whatever happens, we'll keep building that finals resilience.
I agree with the theory that we rely on talent too much, but did we do that to the same degree in 2023 when, on balance, we had a fitter/healthier list? All coaching teams across the league are a handful of games away from basket case to brilliance, just ask Fagan. Actually, ask Voss mid-last year.
I definitely agree that we made some ultra @#$%&! puzzling selection decisions going into the Brisbane final this year, but if there is any defence for that, it's that we were pretty hamstrung by injuries/returning players and that obvs [REDACTED] with our decision making (pun most definitely intended).
I agree that we bomb it long into the F50 too often, but there's another team out there trying to win too. Watch a non-Carlton game with passionate supporters of the teams playing and, well, we all yell the same shit at the TV, haha! Every time we applaud Weiters for taking an intercept mark, there's a corresponding fan somewhere screaming "Why do we @#$%&! bomb it in all the time?!!!"
We're not that far off.
No doubt 30 years since 95 is tough to take and it's true we laughed at the Pies (32 years) and Richmond (34 years), but that's on us to manage. Noone else gives a shit.
If you ask anyone what factors you need for success the response will often be, before talent, before recruiting, you need a stable board with the pres, CEO and coach all in alignment. On that basis we are the most stable we have been since 1995. The list isn't perfect, no list is. Cerra v2024 looks shit, but Cerra v2023 was pretty bloody handy.
We're not that far off.
I really hate when players and coaches say, "We want to get back to where we belong." No team owns finals or premiership success. To pretend as much is arrogant and dismissive of how bloody hard it is to win.
We might never win another flag. We might win the next three. WTF knows?!
We've got All-Australian talent across defence, mids and fwds. We've got a stable club and we're in a good financial position.
Just enjoy the ride, don't blow a gasket when we inevitably screw up at times in 2025. Expect nothing, accept everything.
We're not that far off.
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: Owies Motlop Durdin Williams Fogarty Fantasia...Cottrell. Fkn 7 of them on a list of 44. I really dislike playing more than 2 small forwards. And end of 2025 will see the end of Fantasia and Fogarty, leaving us with 24yo Cottrell, 21yo Motlop and 22yo Durdin and maybe Williams if he earns another contract with Carlton, and there's a strong possibility Austin drafts the speedy goal kicking mid in Berry this year....ie a bit of balance.
oh I mean Camel. 
